I’d like to thank you for this measured take in response to my unbridled cynicism.
Comment on The Cybertruck Appears to Be More Deadly Than the Infamous Ford Pinto, According to a New Analysis
atrielienz@lemmy.world 1 day agoNah. The Ford Pinto laid the groundwork for the NHTSA’s regulatory control of forced recalls. The only way this thing doesn’t get recalled for being dangerous is if Musk’s D. o. g. e manages to undercut or defund the NHTSA.
Additionally, other countries with better regulatory bodies won’t even allow it to be sold or will require mandatory recall of these vehicles which means the end of the cyber truck. They can’t even sell them because people don’t want them.
The other thing is that insurance companies can absolutely refuse to insure them and if I’m honest, they may be the main reason that the NHTSA doesn’t back down from regulating them (insurance companies are a powerful lobby, and they absolutely can countermand the automotive lobby in some cases).
My point is, it’s more complicated than just “Musk is a government official now, and historically dangerous cars weren’t recalled”.
SnotFlickerman@lemmy.blahaj.zone 1 day ago
atrielienz@lemmy.world 1 day ago
To be fair, you made a good point. In the article it states pretty definitively that the NHTSA hasn’t been allowed to have the Cybertruck independently crash tested which is bogus as hell.
The fact that it can’t force that from any car manufacturer doesn’t really make sense. They haven’t even received relevant data related to Tesla’s in house crash testing and I can’t even begin to understand how that’s legal.
MutilationWave@lemmy.world 1 day ago
They will be neutered even further soon, they’re on the project 2025 list.
dnzm@feddit.nl 1 day ago
I believe they’re absolutely not street legal in the UK, nor in the EU. Those were never “ridiculous sized trucks” Walhalla to begin with (although I see more Rams than I care to, these days), so there’s roughly zero chance those things will become mainstream here.
Heck, we have rain here, that’s enough of a wankpanzer repellant.
atrielienz@lemmy.world 1 day ago
They haven’t been banned from sale in the UK or EU so far as I can tell, according to the article.
But the relevant safety organizations and municipalities have been impounding them when they show up, so that’s something.
xthexder@l.sw0.com 1 day ago
They don’t have to explicitly ban the Cybertruck if it doesn’t pass the existing regulations. It’s not legal to drive in UK/EU. You could buy one for display-only or something I’m sure.
Shdwdrgn@mander.xyz 1 day ago
Let me simplify it for you… Musk has been targeting agencies that stood in the way of SpaceX. Did you hear he started targeting OSHA this week because of the spotlight on Musk’s intentional dismissal of safety regulations? Or that he is also targeting the consumer protection agency? Everything that protects regular citizens is being shut down as “wasteful”, and his only criteria is anything that costs him money or prevents him from exploiting workers.
jj4211@lemmy.world 20 hours ago
Don’t forget the revelation that USAID was looking into Starlink in a critical way…
Shdwdrgn@mander.xyz 12 hours ago
Yeah I’ve seen some bits about that, they were looking into how Musk was interfering with the Ukraine war I think?
jonne@infosec.pub 1 day ago
I mean, the thing is already outright illegal in most countries where pedestrian safety is taken into account. An EU version would have to look completely different.
Tja@programming.dev 23 hours ago
It will take Leon 20 minutes to shut down the whole agency claiming that they actually eat babies and people will just go with it.
atrielienz@lemmy.world 22 hours ago
I don’t know why you keep saying intentionally inflammatory things that don’t take into account the full list of factors and facts we have about how the real world works, but you do you, I guess.
Tja@programming.dev 21 hours ago
Because the way the world worked changed a few months ago. Trump is immune and has pardon powers.
atrielienz@lemmy.world 15 hours ago
You’d be surprised at how little it’s changed. Oligarchs are still oligarchs. You think the Ford and GMC CEOs are just gonna let Musk come in and eat their lunch when they have a whole swathe of legal teams just waiting for the government to breach a contract?
psmgx@lemmy.world 1 day ago
Project 2025 has explicit targets for reforming NHTSA
atrielienz@lemmy.world 1 day ago
Agreed. And that’s where consumer choice comes in. People don’t want them. Tesla is having to rework their entire plant to use the assembly lines that produce cybertrucks because they can’t sell the ones they’ve already made. They projected and prepared to manufacturer and sell 500,000 and they’ve sold something like 40,000 and the rest are just sitting in retail lots or holding lots collecting dust. The best estimate seems to be that they might be able to sell another 30,000 in 2025. But with tax credits for EV’s going away and other regulations going into effect world wide, that is probably a pipe dream.
FreakinSteve@lemmy.world 1 day ago
Look, all I’m asking is that Tesla investors lose all their goddamn money.
thejml@lemm.ee 1 day ago
I would love it if the board voted Elon out. I know it won’t happen because they’re a bunch of sycophants, but “Elons antics and poor decisions are causing us to lose money” is a great reason to do so.
atrielienz@lemmy.world 1 day ago
Lol. You’re getting your wish. They basically would be in the red if it weren’t for some credits and Bitcoin they sold.
electrek.co/…/a-quarter-of-teslas-earnings-were-d…
Tja@programming.dev 23 hours ago
On a scale from 0 to 3 (out of 10), how surprised would you be to read that the DHS decided to purchase 250.000 cybertrucks, because they are bulletproof? Before you go to Google it - I made it up, but there is a 50% chance of it coming in the next weeks.
atrielienz@lemmy.world 22 hours ago
I would be surprised for a lot of reasons. The main one being, they’d have to be dirt cheap and have an exceptional warranty agreement attached in order to compete with other automakers who make bulletproof vehicles. And, further there’s too many other problems with the amount of information they collect that the DHS would not have full and direct control over. Tesla’s are well known for recording anything and everything. We learned when they blew one up outside that Trump Hotel that they can be remotely locked by Tesla the company. A private company should not have that kind of direct access to government vehicles or any kind.