Comment on China is quietly pushing ahead with massive 50,000Mbps broadband rollout to leapfrog rest of the world on internet speeds

Clinicallydepressedpoochie@lemmy.world ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

• surewhynotlem@lemmy.world ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

  Decades ago…

  “Why do I need electricity? I have candles. Lights seem excessive.”

  Yes, but once most people have electricity, new products will be designed to take advantage of it. Now you can have a washing machine, for example.

  Broadband is the same. Once most of your population has high bandwidth, we can start to design things that will use it. Right now we’re still designing for DSL speeds.

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  • frezik@midwest.social ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

    There are diminishing returns. Unless you’re going to host your own YouTube, the use case for 50Gbps connections to the home is quite small. 4K video streaming at Ultra HD Blu-ray bitrates doesn’t even come close to saturating 1Gbps, and all streaming services compress 4K video significantly more than what Ultra HD Blu-ray offers. The server side is the limit, not home connections.

    Now, if you want to talk about self-hosting stuff and returning the Internet to a more peer-to-peer architecture, then you need IPv6. Having any kind of NAT in the way is not going to work. Connection speed still isn’t that important.

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    • surewhynotlem@lemmy.world ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

      Unless you’re going to host your own YouTube…

      This is exactly what peer tube is struggling with. This bandwidth would solve the video federation problem.

      See, you get it!

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      • frezik@midwest.social ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

        Except we need IPv6 before that’s at all viable.

        We are not even filling out the bandwidth of pipes we have to the home. “If you build it, they will come” does not apply when there’s already something there that isn’t being fully utilized.

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    • reksas@sopuli.xyz ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

      there could be some new thing that no one has not even bothered to think about because of the limitations. Imagine streaming back when downloading few kilobytes for an hours was considered reasonable, people would have laughed at the very thought of it.

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      • frezik@midwest.social ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

        We’re not using the bandwidth we have. Many US cities have service with 1Gbps download speed available. I have it for my own reasons. Servers are the bottleneck; they rarely even reach half that speed.

        If we’re not using 1Gbps, why should we believe something would pop up if we had 50Gbps?

        Now, direct addressing where everyone can be a server and bandwidth utilization is spread more towards the edges of the network? Then you have something that could saturate 1Gbps. But you can’t do that on IPv4.

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    • Opisek@lemmy.world ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

      How exactly does NAT prevent that? On good hardware it adds insignificant latency.

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      • frezik@midwest.social ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

        It has nothing to do with latency, and everything to do with not being able to directly address things behind NAT.

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    • AA5B@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨week⁩ ago

      Take a look at devContainers as an idea that might be generalized. It’s just docker containers so so big but not huge however the use case ….

      devContainers are a complete portable development environment, with support from major IDEs. Let’s say I want to work on a Java service. I open my IDE, it pulls the latest Java devContainer with my environment and all my tools, fetches the latest from git, and I’m ready to go. The problem with this use case is I’m waiting this whole time. I don’t want to sit around for a minute or two every time I want to edit a program. The latest copy needs to be here, now, as I open my IDE

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      • frezik@midwest.social ⁨1⁩ ⁨week⁩ ago

        Maybe don’t rely on cloud garbage for basic development?

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  • SoftestSapphic@lemmy.world ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

    Yes but have you considered China bad?

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    • RedditRefugee69@lemmynsfw.com ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

      China morally bankrupt and developing at a staggering pace which has somewhat stymied as their scoffing at regulations in favor of backroom dealings is kneecapping themselves.

      So if you zoom in close enough, like looking at this amazingly fast reported internet speed and only at this speed, China “good.”

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      • SoftestSapphic@lemmy.world ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

        Notice how many extra hoops you jumped through to get here

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    • AA5B@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨week⁩ ago

      China is a totalitarian regime with more human right, continuing atrocities, corruption, and illegal trade/business practices.

      They are also

      • bringing a billion people out of poverty and up to modern standards of living in record pace
      • building out renewable energy faster than the rest of the world combined
      • have like 95% of the worlds EV buses
      • are adopting EVs at record pace
      • built out the worlds largest high speed rail at record pace
      • publish the most scientific paper of any country
      • are a hotbed of innovation, manufacturing development
      • are quickly building an outstanding space program from almost nothing

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  • Clinicallydepressedpoochie@lemmy.world ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

    So I’m just going to be a completely different person once I have access to these speeds or you are suggesting new tech that will be made available to consumers?

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    • surewhynotlem@lemmy.world ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

      The second one.

      Think back to when you were on dial-up. The concept of a streaming movie service would have been a fantasyland. No one was creating one. The infrastructure wasn’t there. It was impossible.

      As soon as people started getting broadband, and enough people got it, streaming services could exist.

      Are you different? No, you just want to watch a movie. But now you don’t have to go to Blockbuster.

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• frezik@midwest.social ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

  360 VR experience with 16K resolution, highly textured touchable surfaces, and smell-o-vision. Only a $40 Meta subscription with ads.

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  • realharo@lemm.ee ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

    Latency is much more critical than bandwidth for any sort of real-time VR.

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    • frezik@midwest.social ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

      We’ll solve that with AI. Because you can solve anything by saying “AI”.

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      • Clinicallydepressedpoochie@lemmy.world ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

        What about quantum computing? I don’t want anything without quantum computing.

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  • rumba@lemmy.zip ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

    . Only a $40 Meta subscriptio

    I tried to upload some 8k 360 footage to FB before I left it “We’re sorry, but an error has occurred”

    Tried over several days, no good. tried again a month later, still no good.

    Camera is more or less useless if you can’t host the footage anyway :/

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• wabafee@lemmy.world ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

  It’s not fast it’s more of more bandwidth, means more people can be connected from one line. Speed will remain the same.

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• AA5B@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨week⁩ ago

  For me, the normal stuff. Mathematically my gig fiber is overkill for my usage. And internet services can rarely keep up with that - you want to download some update or new game? It’s throttled at the source regardless of your internet connection

  But in reality when I visit people with “fast enough” internet, I always see glitches and buffering and lag. While it usually serves the need and sometimes gets advertised bandwidth, gig fiber always serves the need. I shouldn’t have to complain about my network or worry about how many streams or how big a download or how many people on their phones. I should never worry about lag during games or interrupted video calls. And I shouldn’t have to worry about sketchy broadband providers (like xFinity/ConCast) way over provisioning their lines or otherwise never delivering marketed bandwidth.

  Gig fiber delivers. Always. Like any good infrastructure you don’t even have to think about it: it just always does the job

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