Do you see these eventually evolving into more a practical medical purpose or convenience/commodity purpose or both?
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Neuromancer49@midwest.social 1 month ago
Oh neat, another brain implant startup. I published in this field. If anyone has questions, I’m happy to answer.
Alk@sh.itjust.works 1 month ago
Neuromancer49@midwest.social 1 month ago
The most practical medical purpose I’ve seen is as a prosthetic implant for people with brain/spinal cord damage. Battelle in Ohio developed a very successful implant and has since received DARPA funding: battelle.org/…/battelle-led-team-wins-darpa-award…. I think that article over-sells the product a little bit.
The biggest obstacle to invasive brain-computer implants like this one is their longevity. Inevitably, any metal electrode implanted in the brain gets rejected by the immune system of the brain. It’s a well-studied process where a glial scar forms, neurons move away from the implant, and the overall signal of the device decreases. We need advances in biocompatibility before this really becomes revolutionary.
Alk@sh.itjust.works 1 month ago
Fascinating, thank you for answering
AbouBenAdhem@lemmy.world 1 month ago
Between the various cortical layers and white matter, what part of the brain’s structure do these implants typically target? Do they sit on top of the outermost layer of some specific region of the cortex, or do they make long-distance connections to other brain structures?
Neuromancer49@midwest.social 1 month ago
A traditional electrode array needs to be as close to the neurons as possible to collect data. So, straight through the dura and pia mater, into the parenchyma where the cell axons and bodies are hanging out. Usually, they collect local data without getting any long distance information - which is a limiting factor to this technology.
The brain needs widespread areas to work in tandem to get most complicated tasks done. An electrode is great for measuring motor activity because those are pretty localized. But, something like memory and language? Not really possible.
There are electrocorticographic devices (ECoG) that places electrodes over a wide area and can rest on the pia mater, on the surface of the brain. Less invasive, but you still need a craniotomy to place the device. They also have less resolution.
SplashJackson@lemmy.ca 1 month ago
Have we figured out yet how to deal with tissue rejection without instituting a drug regimen?
will_a113@lemmy.ml 1 month ago
They’re culturing the mouse’s own cells, so no risk of rejection.
rigatti@lemmy.world 1 month ago
What do you see these types of implants being useful for in the near future?
Neuromancer49@midwest.social 1 month ago
See Alk’s comment above, I touched on medical applications.
As for commercial uses, I see very few. These devices are so invasive, I doubt they could be approved for commercial use.
I think the future of Brain Computer Interfacing lies in Functional Near Infrared Spectroscopy (FNIRS). Basically, it uses the same infrared technology as a pulse oximeter to measure changes in blood flow in your brain. Since it uses light (instead of electricity or magnetism) to measure the brain, it’s resistant to basically all the noise endemic to EEG and MRI. It’s also 100% portable. But, the spatial resolution is pretty low.
HOWEVER, the signals have such high temporal resolution. With a strong enough machine learning algorithm, I wonder if someone could interpret the signal well enough for commercial applications. I saw this first-hand in my PhD - one of our lab techs wrote an algorithm that could read as little as 500ms of data and reasonably predict whether the participant was reading a grammatically simple or complex sentence.
It didn’t get published, sadly, due to lab politics. And, honestly, I don’t have 100% faith in the code he used. But I can’t help but wonder.
rigatti@lemmy.world 1 month ago
Really cool, thanks for the explanations
lurch@sh.itjust.works 1 month ago
do you guys use fuses, so a hacker or EMP can’t fry the users brain?
Neuromancer49@midwest.social 1 month ago
Fantastic question, like Will_a said, I’ve never seen a device designed for input to the brain like this.
In this particular example, if someone were to compromise the device, even though it’s not able to “fry” their brain with direct electricity, they could overload the input neurons with a ton of stimulus. This would likely break the device because the input neurons would die, and it could possibly cause the user to have a seizure depending on how connected the input was to the users brain.
That does bring to mind devices like the one developed by Battelle, where the device reads brain activity and then outputs to a sleeve or cuff designed to stimulate muscles. The goal of the device is to act as a prosthesis for people with spinal cord injuries. I imagine that device was not connected to the internet in any way, but worst case scenario and a hacker compromises the device, they could cause someone’s muscle to sieze up.
thefartographer@lemm.ee 1 month ago
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will_a113@lemmy.ml 1 month ago
This is an interesting question. Just about every announcement I’ve seen so far has been for a read-only interface (for example, a paralyzed person envisioning moving his hand to make a robot arm move), but this Biohybrid one specifically mentions that they applied a signal (light) to the sensor to see if the mice would respond biologically.
Neuromancer49@midwest.social 1 month ago
Agree, fascinating question. To be precise, they used genetically modified neurons (aka optogenetics) to test if the device can deliver a signal into the brain. Optogenetics incorporates neurons modified with light-sensitive channel proteins, so the neuron activates when a precise wavelength of light is “seen” by the special protein. One of the coolest methods in neuroscience, in my opinion.
“To see if the idea works in practice they installed the device in mice, using neurons genetically modified to react to light. Three weeks after implantation, they carried out a series of experiments where they trained the mice to respond whenever a light was shone on the device. The mice were able to detect when this happened, suggesting the light-sensitive neurons had merged with their native brain cells.”