Comment on Demanding a pronoun is like demanding a burkas.

DomeGuy@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

• big_fat_fluffy@leminal.space ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

  Speak this word or I’ll be upset

  Wear this thing or I’ll be upset

  You gotta admid it’s a pretty good parallel

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  • spongebue@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

    “respect who I am or I’ll be upset”

    “This is who you need to be or I’ll be upset”

    Nope, not seeing it.

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    • big_fat_fluffy@leminal.space ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

      Both are making a demand, that you conduct yourself in a certain way.

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      • spongebue@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

        So would you say the same thing about an usher at a movie theater telling you to shut up or get kicked out? How about a boss telling their employee to take out the trash? A parent telling their kid not to hit their sibling? That’s all the same, right, because they’re all making a demand that someone conducts themself in a certain way?

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  • roofuskit@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

    So if I just refer to you by the wrong pronouns all the time you won’t get upset? Or if I change your name out for fatty, or fat fuck?

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    • Rhynoplaz@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

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      • roofuskit@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

        “Fat Fucko” it is.

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    • big_fat_fluffy@leminal.space ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

      Knock yourself out.

      But I find that convenience is the primary dictator of speech. Anything else gets awkward and exhausting.

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      • roofuskit@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

        Conservatives are the softest people I’ve ever met. Oppressed by having to consider anyone else’s feelings. God forgive you have to think for a split second before speaking to someone. I guess that last part is what makes it so painful.

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  • Rhynoplaz@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

    Nope. Literally opposites.

    You are imposing YOUR will on another when you purposely use the wrong pronoun.

    YOU ARE THE OPPRESSOR, NOT THE OPPRESSED.

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    • big_fat_fluffy@leminal.space ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

      Your self-centeredness is absurd. We have better things to do than oppress you. Trust me in this.

      We speak in whatever way seems best. And that is a personal matter. Respect that or not.

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      • Rhynoplaz@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

        I’m self centered because I consider other people’s feelings before addressing them?

        I’m sorry that I didn’t consider how annoying it must be for you to respect other humans in your vicinity.

        I’m an effort to be more like you, I will disregard your username and call you Fucko. In the future, I’ll expect you to respond to the name Fucko, as not to oppress my freedom of speech. Sound good, Fucko?

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  • NOT_RICK@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

    Not really, no.

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• EABOD25@lemm.ee ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

  I don’t understand the whole controversy of pronouns. If a person says “Hey, call me this instead of this” that’s fine. I don’t have to go out my way to do what you request. If it bothers people to go against the “ebb and flow” on something so simple, then that’s their personal problem.

  However comparing it to a burka, then it almost seems like the opposite side having an issue with people who don’t adhere to your standard. the whole argument is completely asinine because I don’t understand why it’s should matter and why people that prefer something besides their default pronoun get so upset about what other people think.

  We as individual people have too much shit on our plate as it is. Why are you going to get mad because someone that you could easily remove from your life (because you don’t like them for a possible myriad of reasons) has spited you? Live your own life and stop getting mad about how others live there’s.

  Now with that being said, I’ve never had a family member that I love come out requesting a different pronoun beside default (also i personally think saying “default” is the best way to approach it), so i can’t say exactly how I would react.

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  • tiefling@lemmy.blahaj.zone ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

    People never seem to have problems with changing pronouns when it’s for someone’s pet

    “Cute dog what’s his name”

    “Oh she’s Luna”

    “I love her!”

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    • Canonical_Warlock@lemmy.dbzer0.com ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

      You say that, but I have had a pet snake since I was a child and because I was a boy child I assumed they were male. But once I got older it occured to me that I have no idea if they’re actually male or female (because sexing a snake isn’t as easy as with mammals) and it seems more likely that they’re actually female. But I’m not certain either way and I genuinely don’t care. So I’ve since started refering to them as they/them. My dad still points it out every time I do it. “Oh, you have multiple snakes?” It’s kinda weird considering he’s so progressive in every other way.

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  • T00l_shed@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

    It’s really easy, say your name is Tom, and I start calling you Stacy all the time, you’re going to get bothered by it eventually at best Or downright fuming at worst. It literally takes you nothing to use the right nouns/pronouns.

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    • big_fat_fluffy@leminal.space ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

      That’s a large assumption, and a presumptuous demand.

      Do no assume. Do not demand. Mind your manners.

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      • T00l_shed@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

        It’s not, and it’s not. Correct, false, Correct, Correct.

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    • EABOD25@lemm.ee ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

      But if it’s a requested change, how put out are you by it? It’s still the same human that you respect and appreciate. And if you respect and appreciate them, you’d adhere to their request. That’s what loyalty is

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      • T00l_shed@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

        Not put out at all. Even if I don’t respect and appreciate them. I will use the name they want. Loyalty has nothing to do with this.

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