Thats the thing i have never turned off a mac in my entire life… always sleep and wake
Comment on M4 Mac Mini Power Button Has New Bottom Location
Psythik@lemmy.world 2 weeks agoWhat the hell are you talking about? I push the power button every single day on my PC. I’m aware that wake on LAN is a thing, but your average computer user doesn’t utilize that feature. And only a psychopath who doesn’t care about their power bill nor the environment would leave their PC running 24/7.
MoonSmile@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
Psythik@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
[deleted]prof_wafflez@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
You seem very pissed off about absolutely nothing. Chill out and maybe log off for a bit
webghost0101@sopuli.xyz 2 weeks ago
You can accurately preach best usecases all you want it falls flat before peopled experience.
I always shutdown my desktop. So did i with all my previous desktops.
Ive always shut down every windows/linux laptop i ever had.
I shut down my android tablet after use.
I owned and used a MacBook for 3 years, i never shut it down, i never shutdown my iPhone.
Apple did not tell me to do this, no one told me to change what i am used to. It just somehow made the most sense so thats how i used it. And i reverted naturally when i ent back to non apple desktops. I cant explain it better then that.
This does not excuse having a power button on the bottom, thats just ridiculous. Just a hint that what your saying about downsides is irrelevant to how people realistically use it.
prof_wafflez@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
This does not excuse having a power button on the bottom, thats just ridiculous.
Asking in earnest, but why is a power button on the bottom so egregious? I’ve owned various Macbooks over the last decade and I rarely use the power button - and when I do in recent years it’s for TouchID. I leave my MBP open regularly, but have my battery settings set to automatically turn off the monitor and put the computer into sleep mode. I’m just not getting why it’s such a big deal and it’s mostly coming off as “grr apple bad, no like”
ayyy@sh.itjust.works 2 weeks ago
You can wake a Mac by clicking the mouse or hitting literally any of the hundred+ buttons on the keyboard. …also this power button is dumb.
BmeBenji@lemm.ee 2 weeks ago
I should have considered that I was posting this comment to Lemmy before posting it.
Maybe you push the dedicated power button on your computer’s case everyday but I’m very confident most users of any computer do not. And in that regard I’m including all computers - wearable, handheld, and laptops. We’re well past the age where most users feel the need to fully shutdown and boot their computers everyday, AND there are plenty of software buttons and even some physical keyboard buttons for shutting down a computer so I mean it when I say that I think most computer case’s power buttons go untouched for definitely days and possibly weeks at a time.
eyeon@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
The average user uses sleep mode and wakes from sleep. Sleep mode should be under 10w, or around $1/mo.
ifItWasUpToMe@lemmy.ca 2 weeks ago
Sleep mode on the mini < 0.5W
tb_@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
Why need Wake on LAN when basically any USB input device can take your computer out of sleep?
Psythik@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
[deleted]tb_@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
Here you were saying the average user isn’t going to use Wake on LAN, but you expect them to disable USB devices waking their computer?
I have my USB’s disabled as well, but I was talking averages here.
BombOmOm@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
but you expect them to disable USB devices waking their computer?
He expects one to turn off their computer when they are done with it, which is a perfectly reasonable thing to expect.
fuckwit_mcbumcrumble@lemmy.dbzer0.com 2 weeks ago
This mac mini on uses less power than your desktop in sleep.
Your desktop also doesn’t use 0 watts of power when off. If you have a gaming computer with a full power supply it’s probably using a couple watts completely off. Vs an M1 Mac mini that uses about 1 or less watts in sleep.
Telodzrum@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
Average Windows user L
derek@infosec.pub 2 weeks ago
laughs in home lab
Not that I’d buy it but, if I did, that power button might get used twice a year. Likely less since I wouldn’t be able to upgrade or maintenance its hardware.
Psythik@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
To be fair, if you have a home lab setup (or even a simple server), you’re not the average computer user.
DJDarren@thelemmy.club 2 weeks ago
The power draw of these things when sleeping is negligible. They’re basically off, so there’s no real need to shut them down with any regularity.
I can use my MacBook for a whole day and still have half the battery left. Their power efficiency is genuinely remarkable.
renzev@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
This is correct, but still, fuck apple. What if I just prefer to turn my computer off instead of putting it into sleep mode? And how exactly am I supposed to wake up my computer from sleep if the power button is inaccessible? I know macs can be configured to wake up on keyboard/mouse activity, but that makes them too easy to wake up on accident.
thatsTheCatch@lemmy.nz 2 weeks ago
It would be annoying, but to be fair, it’s the Mac Mini, which is small and easy to pick up. I would guess you could just tip the corner up to press the button.
I still think it’s a dumb design. It’s going to confuse everyday users
renzev@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
Call me a conspiracy theorist, but I believe this is the intention. I think big companies deliberately put in confusing and bad design to “test the waters” and see if people will still buy their products. It’s the same with the apple mouse charging on the bottom, or why companies keep making their logos uglier with each iteration. It’s a psy-op to condition the masses into accepting worse products without complaining.
fuckwit_mcbumcrumble@lemmy.dbzer0.com 2 weeks ago
Poke your finger under the corner and push up. It doesn’t take a rocket surgen to figure out how they want you to hit this button. You can tell from their promo images that they designed the base to make the computer sit up enough for this.
Why does it matter? It’s just gonna go back to sleep in 30 seconds if you don’t mess with it.
DJDarren@thelemmy.club 2 weeks ago
You know this thing is tiny, right? It’ll be shockingly easy to pick up and press the button. Even with cables hanging out of it.
I use a 2014 mini with all cables hanging out the back, and it’s really easy to pick up.
ifItWasUpToMe@lemmy.ca 2 weeks ago
A key on the keyboard turns it on afaik. You don’t need to press the power button.
Psythik@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
kalleboo@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
The Mac mini draws 5 W when on, let alone sleeping
ayyy@sh.itjust.works 2 weeks ago
This is short-sighted. The amount of extra power the computer draws at a high power state while performing boot-up tasks makes the sleep power draw a better option. Not to mention the sleep power draw happens at off-peak hours where the grid can provide more green power vs. the dirty mid-morning peak power. The break-even point that I’ve calculated across the machines I’ve plugged into my meter is approximately 3-4 days. With a big ol’ “it depends” sticker slapped on top.
MrSpArkle@lemmy.ca 2 weeks ago
Is the 5 watts on an M series Mac?