Google has been shamelessly destroying all their projects the last few years in a desperate fit to make money. They’ve weakened ad blockers on chrome, they’ve altered the search algorithm so random BS is mixed in with regular to drive towards sponsored content, their starting to setup browser level DRM and creating un skipable ads. None of this is for anything more than greed and desperation. They no longer see anything other than money as the end goal and don’t care if their selling a shittier product at a higher price than no one was ever even willing to pay for. F*ck google.
Comment on YouTube’s anti-ad blocking test gets even pushier with a new timer
regbin_@lemmy.world 10 months agoNo. This is why if you like a service, you pay for it.
emax_gomax@lemmy.world 10 months ago
regbin_@lemmy.world 10 months ago
YT Premium costs less than $4 for me and I also get YT Music. It sure beats paying $4 for only a music service.
emax_gomax@lemmy.world 10 months ago
Until its no longer profitable like the hundreds of other BS google tricks you into supporting only to ditch later killedbygoogle.com . Also in what world are you paying under $4 the standard package today is $13.99
regbin_@lemmy.world 10 months ago
I’ll stop paying when it stops working. Also regional pricing. I pay around $3.9 for Premium + Music.
Excrubulent@slrpnk.net 10 months ago
No. This is why if a service loses sight of its core value proposition, it dies.
If youtube is actually successful in killing adblocking on their service - which I suppose a server-side timer could actually do - then they will only succeed in killing their relevance, just like so many social media seem to be doing right now.
I pay for services like a debrid and VPN, because they provide me with the services I need. For very few dollars a month I can get 4K streaming from their servers 24/7. That is all hosting should cost. If the fediverse version of youtube, peertube, became mainstream then collectively people should have absolutely no problem maintaining those costs from the users’ side.
Pregnenolone@lemmy.world 10 months ago
You think too much of the average person. This sort of thing might affect you, but it won’t affect your friend’s 8 year old brother or his parents who just want a convenient way to watch pewdiepie
AgentOrangesicle@lemmy.world 10 months ago
Perhaps, but you can only crush so much blood from a stone and the masses are slowly becoming destitute.
Excrubulent@slrpnk.net 10 months ago
Social networks don’t succeed or fail on casual viewers alone. Youtube is a video sharing site, not a content producer. If they get so toxic that the content producers start finding alternatives, then the casual viewers won’t all leave right away.
If it gets so bad that big creators, like pewdiepie, have alternatives that grow in relevance and youtube loses its critical market share then it will eventually lose the casual viewers too, especially if those alternatives aren’t up to their eyeballs in ads.
We saw this with digg, where they sold out their content to publishers.
This may not be the straw that breaks the camel’s back. For reddit it was the API lockdown, for twitter it’s… well I could point to any number of individual decisions but let’s just call them Elon Musk. Facebook hasn’t quite hit that tipping point yet I don’t think.
With youtube I can easily see this being part of a string of decisions to promote publisher content over user content. They’re already selling views which could really sink them in the end.
SocialMediaRefugee@lemmy.world 10 months ago
Speaking of suicide, Tumblr found out that most of its content was porn and most people were coming for it when it banned it
peopleproblems@lemmy.world 10 months ago
“Soon we will have a new web. One far younger and far more powerful.”
focusedkiwibear@lemmy.world 10 months ago
lol this post is nothing more than a tantrum from a leech of a service they’re too cheap to pay for and scrabbling for reasons other than said cheap-ness
you may get likes on the internet for this wholly selfish take but we all know it’s nothing more than that.
Excrubulent@slrpnk.net 10 months ago
It’s just devastating when you invent unwholesome motivations for my words to attack as an alternative to attacking the ideas themselves.
My ego is in tatters.
Vlyn@lemmy.world 10 months ago
You do realize the average person watches YouTube on their TV or their phone, with ads? You are not the target audience for Google.
So I fully expect YouTube to kill adblocking at some point and they might lose what? 10% of users? Of which 5% either come back to watch ads or pay the subscription because all the content is on there?
I’m 100% pro adblocker, the internet is a mess without, but it’s stupid to think YouTube wouldn’t cut you off the moment you don’t provide any benefit to their service (For example despite adblocking you might give Superchat money to streamers, or join Streamer memberships).
lemann@lemmy.one 10 months ago
Personally I don’t want to pay Google out of principle tbh, the creators I support can benefit from my Patreon donations and Nebula subscription
regbin_@lemmy.world 10 months ago
That’s way too expensive and I can’t afford it. YTP is less than $4 a month so at least the creators gets at least a few cents from my views, and I watch a lot of creators.
newthrowaway20@lemmy.world 10 months ago
Where the hell are you paying less than $4 a month? It’s $14 here in America. Even with a student discount, it’s still twice the price you’re quoting.
BeeOneTwoThree@sh.itjust.works 10 months ago
I find this take wierd. If you do not want to support Google, stop using services created by them.
The content creators can upload videos to multiple platforms if they want to
mojo@lemm.ee 10 months ago
Oh nooo, who will think of the big tech who continue to get record profits every year?
regbin_@lemmy.world 10 months ago
I want creators to get paid when I watch them but I also don’t want ads. YT Premium is affordable (it costs less than $4 a month for me) for me and I also get YT Music with it. I watch hundreds of hours worth of video from multiple creators so it’s a fair deal.
mojo@lemm.ee 10 months ago
Woah dude that’s crazy. Anyways, I’m still going to AdBlock them and pirate yt music. Big tech can suck my
yuunikki@lemmy.world 10 months ago
[deleted]Tenniswaffles@lemmy.world 10 months ago
And that’s how things die due to no revenue. Running YouTube is expensive af and the more people who used things like revanced, the worse things will become for everyone else.
Excrubulent@slrpnk.net 10 months ago
It’s funny how you put all the blame on the users and none on the people that run the site. They fail to pay creators properly, fail to protect them from copyright claim abuse, and all the while they expect those creators to keep making content to keep their site relevant. It’s going to come crashing down eventually.
Also, in matters of taste the customer is always right. If people are so fed up with ads that they adblock en masse and/or leave, then youtube are the only ones to blame.
Tenniswaffles@lemmy.world 10 months ago
My point in my comment was about how YouTube is expensive to run and that the more people who refuse to generate revenue for it (I feel dirty writing that and strongly disagree with it, by my feelings have no effect on reality,) then it has to make shittier and shittier decisions to generate that revenue.
I 100% agree that YouTube should pay their creators more and protect them from bullshit copyright, but that would just compound the issue of the cost of running the site.
What is this entitled attitude everyone has where they believe they should be handed things for free? It completely unsustainable and childish. Corporations do not do things for free, they can’t. They exist solely to generate revenue and if they can’t, they die. I generally hate corporations on principle, but again my feelings don’t change reality.
yuunikki@lemmy.world 10 months ago
[deleted]Tenniswaffles@lemmy.world 10 months ago
You’ll care as more and more people have to quit YouTube or make progressively more shit content to appease the algorithm. It also makes it harder and harder for new people to start on YouTube.
ricdeh@lemmy.world 10 months ago
Maybe they shouldn’t operate in the first place if they cannot think of a sustainable business model without f*ing their users up.
Tenniswaffles@lemmy.world 10 months ago
Basically everything within capitalism fucks over someone that’s just business as usual 8n out society. Usually to a much worse degree, think the children who likely made your clothes for next to nothing. I’m all for tearing down the system, but there’s not a whole lot as an individual that I can do.
regbin_@lemmy.world 10 months ago
I’m a premium user so I’m not affected (for now)
histy@lemmy.world 10 months ago
[deleted]regbin_@lemmy.world 10 months ago
Because somehow paying $4 a month is unreasonable for a service that I use for 2-4 hours every day.
Right.
LiquorFan@pathfinder.social 10 months ago
But I hate the service, it’s the only service around though.
mjs@lemmy.world 10 months ago
There’s a reason why they are the only ones. It’s very hard to scale a platform to YouTube scale. Like insanely hard and very expensive. The only other players that could take over are Meta and maybe Microsoft. Not sure if they would be any better.
Buddahriffic@lemmy.world 10 months ago
There’s others that are at that scale. Amazon, Valve, battle.net, Netflix, pornhub, CloudFlare, to name a few.
focusedkiwibear@lemmy.world 10 months ago
lol you hate the service so it makes it ok for you to steal? K good sirs, keep on pirating
webadict@lemmy.world 10 months ago
Is pirating stealing? Nothing was taken from YouTube. You could say it’s unauthorized access, or unauthorized duplication of data, but none of that leaves YouTube down any data.
TwilightVulpine@lemmy.world 10 months ago
In their defense, it costs bandwidth to Google.
In my attack, fuck Google. Costing them money is a good thing. They are literally trying to lock down corporate control over the Internet.
widerporst@feddit.de 10 months ago
I’ll gladly pay for a service that doesn’t thrive on pushing propaganda down people’s throats to maximize watch time and that isn’t actively trying to make my user experience miserable by removing downvotes, forcing shorts and so on.
I’d rather pay someone to kick me in the nuts. Sounds like a better deal tbh.
Blizzard@lemmy.zip 10 months ago
Good thing I don’t like youtube.
regbin_@lemmy.world 10 months ago
I meant that if you use YouTube a lot, it would be fair to pay for an ad-free experience.
StarServal@kbin.social 10 months ago
Like Cable Television, right?
Anamana@feddit.de 10 months ago
regbin_@lemmy.world 10 months ago
I use SponsorBlock.
Anamana@feddit.de 10 months ago
And you realize that YouTube will do everything in their hands to stop you from using these apps in the future right? That was kinda the point of the article.
Making people pay (with their time and attention) while they are already paying for subscription will not encourage more people to buy premium.
repungnant_canary@lemmy.world 10 months ago
Does YouTube pay their content creators properly? No, they have to rely on external partnerships. Does YouTube help their creators solve issues with greedy companies making copyright claims on not their content? No, they close channels because of such claims and strip creators of income they deserve. Does YouTube keep their platform secure to protect its creators? No, hackers managed to get access to the biggest channels on the platform despite YouTube being aware of the issues for months. Does YouTube at least use their knowledge from spying its users to stop bots posting comments? No, bot comments are all over the place. And I could go like that for ages…
The fact is YouTube is a shitty platform and people use it because they have to not because they want to. Because they have a fucking monopoly! People are paying thousands of dollars directly to content creators through platforms like Patreon, because they like the content. But people are not willing to support financially the platform that openly don’t give a fuck about their users and creators (which are the only reason this platform exists) and care only about their shareholders. Because why would they pay to make the rich richer while content creators struggle to earn money for rent!