Comment on YouTube’s anti-ad blocking test gets even pushier with a new timer
6mementomori@lemmy.world 1 year ago
and this is why you should use third party clients/patches like revanced
Comment on YouTube’s anti-ad blocking test gets even pushier with a new timer
6mementomori@lemmy.world 1 year ago
and this is why you should use third party clients/patches like revanced
regbin_@lemmy.world 1 year ago
No. This is why if you like a service, you pay for it.
repungnant_canary@lemmy.world 1 year ago
Does YouTube pay their content creators properly? No, they have to rely on external partnerships. Does YouTube help their creators solve issues with greedy companies making copyright claims on not their content? No, they close channels because of such claims and strip creators of income they deserve. Does YouTube keep their platform secure to protect its creators? No, hackers managed to get access to the biggest channels on the platform despite YouTube being aware of the issues for months. Does YouTube at least use their knowledge from spying its users to stop bots posting comments? No, bot comments are all over the place. And I could go like that for ages…
The fact is YouTube is a shitty platform and people use it because they have to not because they want to. Because they have a fucking monopoly! People are paying thousands of dollars directly to content creators through platforms like Patreon, because they like the content. But people are not willing to support financially the platform that openly don’t give a fuck about their users and creators (which are the only reason this platform exists) and care only about their shareholders. Because why would they pay to make the rich richer while content creators struggle to earn money for rent!
emax_gomax@lemmy.world 1 year ago
Google has been shamelessly destroying all their projects the last few years in a desperate fit to make money. They’ve weakened ad blockers on chrome, they’ve altered the search algorithm so random BS is mixed in with regular to drive towards sponsored content, their starting to setup browser level DRM and creating un skipable ads. None of this is for anything more than greed and desperation. They no longer see anything other than money as the end goal and don’t care if their selling a shittier product at a higher price than no one was ever even willing to pay for. F*ck google.
regbin_@lemmy.world 1 year ago
YT Premium costs less than $4 for me and I also get YT Music. It sure beats paying $4 for only a music service.
emax_gomax@lemmy.world 1 year ago
Until its no longer profitable like the hundreds of other BS google tricks you into supporting only to ditch later killedbygoogle.com . Also in what world are you paying under $4 the standard package today is $13.99
Excrubulent@slrpnk.net 1 year ago
No. This is why if a service loses sight of its core value proposition, it dies.
If youtube is actually successful in killing adblocking on their service - which I suppose a server-side timer could actually do - then they will only succeed in killing their relevance, just like so many social media seem to be doing right now.
I pay for services like a debrid and VPN, because they provide me with the services I need. For very few dollars a month I can get 4K streaming from their servers 24/7. That is all hosting should cost. If the fediverse version of youtube, peertube, became mainstream then collectively people should have absolutely no problem maintaining those costs from the users’ side.
Pregnenolone@lemmy.world 1 year ago
You think too much of the average person. This sort of thing might affect you, but it won’t affect your friend’s 8 year old brother or his parents who just want a convenient way to watch pewdiepie
AgentOrangesicle@lemmy.world 1 year ago
Perhaps, but you can only crush so much blood from a stone and the masses are slowly becoming destitute.
Excrubulent@slrpnk.net 1 year ago
Social networks don’t succeed or fail on casual viewers alone. Youtube is a video sharing site, not a content producer. If they get so toxic that the content producers start finding alternatives, then the casual viewers won’t all leave right away.
If it gets so bad that big creators, like pewdiepie, have alternatives that grow in relevance and youtube loses its critical market share then it will eventually lose the casual viewers too, especially if those alternatives aren’t up to their eyeballs in ads.
We saw this with digg, where they sold out their content to publishers.
This may not be the straw that breaks the camel’s back. For reddit it was the API lockdown, for twitter it’s… well I could point to any number of individual decisions but let’s just call them Elon Musk. Facebook hasn’t quite hit that tipping point yet I don’t think.
With youtube I can easily see this being part of a string of decisions to promote publisher content over user content. They’re already selling views which could really sink them in the end.
peopleproblems@lemmy.world 1 year ago
“Soon we will have a new web. One far younger and far more powerful.”
focusedkiwibear@lemmy.world 1 year ago
lol this post is nothing more than a tantrum from a leech of a service they’re too cheap to pay for and scrabbling for reasons other than said cheap-ness
you may get likes on the internet for this wholly selfish take but we all know it’s nothing more than that.
Excrubulent@slrpnk.net 1 year ago
It’s just devastating when you invent unwholesome motivations for my words to attack as an alternative to attacking the ideas themselves.
My ego is in tatters.
Vlyn@lemmy.world 1 year ago
You do realize the average person watches YouTube on their TV or their phone, with ads? You are not the target audience for Google.
So I fully expect YouTube to kill adblocking at some point and they might lose what? 10% of users? Of which 5% either come back to watch ads or pay the subscription because all the content is on there?
I’m 100% pro adblocker, the internet is a mess without, but it’s stupid to think YouTube wouldn’t cut you off the moment you don’t provide any benefit to their service (For example despite adblocking you might give Superchat money to streamers, or join Streamer memberships).
lemann@lemmy.one 1 year ago
Personally I don’t want to pay Google out of principle tbh, the creators I support can benefit from my Patreon donations and Nebula subscription
regbin_@lemmy.world 1 year ago
That’s way too expensive and I can’t afford it. YTP is less than $4 a month so at least the creators gets at least a few cents from my views, and I watch a lot of creators.
newthrowaway20@lemmy.world 1 year ago
Where the hell are you paying less than $4 a month? It’s $14 here in America. Even with a student discount, it’s still twice the price you’re quoting.
BeeOneTwoThree@sh.itjust.works 1 year ago
I find this take wierd. If you do not want to support Google, stop using services created by them.
The content creators can upload videos to multiple platforms if they want to
mojo@lemm.ee 1 year ago
Oh nooo, who will think of the big tech who continue to get record profits every year?
regbin_@lemmy.world 1 year ago
I want creators to get paid when I watch them but I also don’t want ads. YT Premium is affordable (it costs less than $4 a month for me) for me and I also get YT Music with it. I watch hundreds of hours worth of video from multiple creators so it’s a fair deal.
mojo@lemm.ee 1 year ago
Woah dude that’s crazy. Anyways, I’m still going to AdBlock them and pirate yt music. Big tech can suck my
yuunikki@lemmy.world 1 year ago
Tenniswaffles@lemmy.world 1 year ago
And that’s how things die due to no revenue. Running YouTube is expensive af and the more people who used things like revanced, the worse things will become for everyone else.
Excrubulent@slrpnk.net 1 year ago
It’s funny how you put all the blame on the users and none on the people that run the site. They fail to pay creators properly, fail to protect them from copyright claim abuse, and all the while they expect those creators to keep making content to keep their site relevant. It’s going to come crashing down eventually.
Also, in matters of taste the customer is always right. If people are so fed up with ads that they adblock en masse and/or leave, then youtube are the only ones to blame.
yuunikki@lemmy.world 1 year ago
ricdeh@lemmy.world 1 year ago
Maybe they shouldn’t operate in the first place if they cannot think of a sustainable business model without f*ing their users up.
regbin_@lemmy.world 1 year ago
I’m a premium user so I’m not affected (for now)
histy@lemmy.world 1 year ago
regbin_@lemmy.world 1 year ago
Because somehow paying $4 a month is unreasonable for a service that I use for 2-4 hours every day.
Right.
LiquorFan@pathfinder.social 1 year ago
But I hate the service, it’s the only service around though.
mjs@lemmy.world 1 year ago
There’s a reason why they are the only ones. It’s very hard to scale a platform to YouTube scale. Like insanely hard and very expensive. The only other players that could take over are Meta and maybe Microsoft. Not sure if they would be any better.
Buddahriffic@lemmy.world 1 year ago
There’s others that are at that scale. Amazon, Valve, battle.net, Netflix, pornhub, CloudFlare, to name a few.
focusedkiwibear@lemmy.world 1 year ago
lol you hate the service so it makes it ok for you to steal? K good sirs, keep on pirating
webadict@lemmy.world 1 year ago
Is pirating stealing? Nothing was taken from YouTube. You could say it’s unauthorized access, or unauthorized duplication of data, but none of that leaves YouTube down any data.
widerporst@feddit.de 1 year ago
I’ll gladly pay for a service that doesn’t thrive on pushing propaganda down people’s throats to maximize watch time and that isn’t actively trying to make my user experience miserable by removing downvotes, forcing shorts and so on.
I’d rather pay someone to kick me in the nuts. Sounds like a better deal tbh.
Blizzard@lemmy.zip 1 year ago
Good thing I don’t like youtube.
regbin_@lemmy.world 1 year ago
I meant that if you use YouTube a lot, it would be fair to pay for an ad-free experience.
StarServal@kbin.social 1 year ago
Like Cable Television, right?
Anamana@feddit.de 1 year ago
feddit.de/comment/2156440
regbin_@lemmy.world 1 year ago
I use SponsorBlock.
Anamana@feddit.de 1 year ago
And you realize that YouTube will do everything in their hands to stop you from using these apps in the future right? That was kinda the point of the article.
Making people pay (with their time and attention) while they are already paying for subscription will not encourage more people to buy premium.