Comment on If Jesus can turn water into wine, but wine is still mostly made of water, can Jesus apply his powers recursively and create more and more concentrated wine?

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• FreshLight@sh.itjust.works ⁨1⁩ ⁨month⁩ ago

  Can he create a stone that is not liftable and then proceed to lift it?

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  • dwindling7373@feddit.it ⁨1⁩ ⁨month⁩ ago

    Unironically the question by witch many faith differs: does God needs abide to the rules of logic or not?

    For the Roman Catholic, yes, for Calvinists and a bunch other (ok, many other but I’m not an expert), no.

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    • fsxylo@sh.itjust.works ⁨1⁩ ⁨month⁩ ago

      Answer: whatever causes the person you’re arguing with to throw their hands up and storm off more exasperated…

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      • dwindling7373@feddit.it ⁨1⁩ ⁨month⁩ ago

        No, not really, it’s mostly a matter of power.

        The Church itself is rooted in the idea that there are autorities on matter of faith and they adopted the Platinical Agostinean idea that faith is empowered by reason. Reason being a valid tool means you have experts that reasoned a lot about religion and people that know less and needs to be taught, ultimately by the Pope.

        The “other” side tends to reject authorities, and take the words of the bible as sobjected to personal interpretation or, to an extent, make it into some sort of magical object that the faithfull subjects itself to, without questions. Accepting the contradictions, the illogal parts, are what that kind of faith is about because to question (throught reasoning) God is a Sin.

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    • scarabic@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨month⁩ ago

      Ah theologians. When we invented agriculture so that not everyone had to work on gathering food, this enabled some of us to specialize in advanced skills. But theology, wow. What a waste of time. Get those dudes out in the fields.

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      • dwindling7373@feddit.it ⁨1⁩ ⁨month⁩ ago

        Back in the days they were just philosophers aka scientists.

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      • HiddenLayer555@lemmy.ml ⁨1⁩ ⁨month⁩ ago

        There’s a reason the French beheaded the clergy alongside the nobility.

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    • ILikeBoobies@lemmy.ca ⁨1⁩ ⁨month⁩ ago

      Calvanists the ones that say since god is all powerful there can be no free will/everything is decided don’t apply logic?

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      • dwindling7373@feddit.it ⁨1⁩ ⁨month⁩ ago

        That’s the one.

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  • Hexarei@programming.dev ⁨1⁩ ⁨month⁩ ago

    The easiest answer to this is yes, he could create a stone he couldn’t lift. And then he could lift it anyway.

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    • PapaStevesy@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨month⁩ ago

      Actually the easiest answer is “no” because it doesn’t require cognitive dissonance.

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      • Hexarei@programming.dev ⁨1⁩ ⁨month⁩ ago

        There’s no cognitive dissonance in negating a false negative

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  • Flax_vert@feddit.uk ⁨1⁩ ⁨month⁩ ago

    Well Jesus, yes. Because Jesus let Himself die as well.

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    • gravitas_deficiency@sh.itjust.works ⁨1⁩ ⁨month⁩ ago

      But then he respawned

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      • Flax_vert@feddit.uk ⁨1⁩ ⁨month⁩ ago

        Mhm

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• Zahille7@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨month⁩ ago

  Your comment made me think of this scene from American Dad

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• match@pawb.social ⁨1⁩ ⁨month⁩ ago

  I interpreted this as “having the basic ability to take as actions would allow you to do this”, which is also true, I can ferment wine and then gradually make it more concentrated

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