no i think they’re talking about it cuz its israel
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capital@lemmy.world 6 days ago
Is lemmy having trouble telling the difference between Hamas and Hezbollah now?
KillingTimeItself@lemmy.dbzer0.com 6 days ago
capital@lemmy.world 6 days ago
I forgot every method works the same against every target.
KillingTimeItself@lemmy.dbzer0.com 6 days ago
ok?
jol@discuss.tchncs.de 6 days ago
No? This is implying that Israel has had the technology to precisely target people for months but chooses to destroy a whole region instead went it came to Palestine.
capital@lemmy.world 6 days ago
Your comment implies they had a method like this one to attack Hamas. Source?
jol@discuss.tchncs.de 6 days ago
I mean they have the method and the will to use it, that’s all I’m saying. Why couldn’t they intercept the phones and other devices used by Hamas leaders the same way?
capital@lemmy.world 6 days ago
The method may not have been applicable for some reason. Shooting people in the head is a method but unless they line up for you away from everyone who’s not Hamas, that’s not a realistic method to employ.
Maggoty@lemmy.world 6 days ago
That’s not what they said.
capital@lemmy.world 6 days ago
What technology are they referring to then?
prole@lemmy.blahaj.zone 5 days ago
So they can do it to a sovereign nation, but they cannot do it to the completely oppressed population living in territories that they have complete control over, including every person and item that enters and exits.
Do you just not know what the reality in Gaza is like? Do you not understand the level of control that Israel has exerted on those people for the past 8+ decades?
There is a reason that nobody can get humanitarian aide to them.
KillingTimeItself@lemmy.dbzer0.com 6 days ago
to be clear, you can’t directly target an individual, you can maybe potentially target a single individual.
This is also not to mention the cost and accessibility of doing something like this at scale. It’s theorized they either got into the factories, or somehow got through the shipment and intercepted it to do this operation.
It’s possible they acted as a middleman but that would be really really hard to do at scale like this.
And even if they did this in palestine, it would only work once.
CoffeeJunkie@lemmy.world 6 days ago
You don’t need to speculate or theorize; they say exactly how they did it. I cut to the exact part of the video where it is succinctly explained.
You’ll also notice that, according to Ben/according to Israel/according to Hezbollah… they advertised that they were going to stop using phones & switch to pagers. In July. So people going on about “they could have done this all along” are wrong. It’s been since sometime in July. This July. Which makes this a very fast & even more effective military operation.
KillingTimeItself@lemmy.dbzer0.com 5 days ago
oh good, ben shaprio, well known political hack. So basically TL;DR is that israel setup a shell company, selling tampered pagers and radios to hezbollah?
Seems about right.
jol@discuss.tchncs.de 6 days ago
The cost? You mean these bombs are more expensive that the weapons used to level Gaza? The ones they only get because other countries sell them?
KillingTimeItself@lemmy.dbzer0.com 5 days ago
i would assume on a unit level cost, these pagers are probably cheaper, as evidenced by recent Ukrainian advances, however the cost of actually getting these units in the hands of the people that need them is going to slowly approach infinity depending on how aggressively you wish to do it.
Also, other countries are allowed to sell military equipment, there’s nothing innately illegal with that. Although the people of those countries may not like it, they do generally have the rights to protest it however.
prole@lemmy.blahaj.zone 5 days ago
Why would it only work once? It literally just worked twice in Lebanon. Lebanon is a sovereign nation that is not completely under the oppressive rule of a colonial occupier like Gaza is.
Israel controls everything and everyone that enters and exits Gaza. If they can do it in Lebanon, they can do it in Gaza.
KillingTimeItself@lemmy.dbzer0.com 5 days ago
both of these instances are highly related, and once it happens once, you can bet your ass hezbollah is going to inspect each and every piece of equipment they own. Or at least randomly inspect samples in the hopes of heavily deterring it.
Unless this is literally impossible to notice, which i highly doubt, this most seems like lack of competence by hezbollah itself, although in their defense, pagers generally aren’t built with explosives, so…
Also i meant specifically with hezbollah, it could theoretically happen somewhere else, but anybody in gaza does still know about this now, so they’re also 100% checking for this stuff as well.