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• georgia34@mastodon.social ⁨8⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

  @snarfed.org @activitypubblueskybridge @fedidevs @fediversenews hello

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• soc@chaos.social ⁨8⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

  @snarfed.org @activitypubblueskybridge @fedidevs @fediversenews No thanks.

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  • shiri@foggyminds.com ⁨8⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

    @soc @snarfed.org I recommend then either blocking the bridge or selecting one of the options they provide to opt-out. Their # nobridge tag is thorough because it'll also opt you out of other bridges running their software, but if you don't like that you can just block their bridge's instance.

    Be aware though that if you're on the fediverse and not on a whitelist instance, you will be bridged to all reasonably compatible federated networks.

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• f4grx@chaos.social ⁨8⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

  @snarfed.org @activitypubblueskybridge @fedidevs @fediversenews i dont want ANYTHING to do with bluesky.

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  • shiri@foggyminds.com ⁨8⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

    @f4grx @snarfed.org congratulations, you don't have to have anything to do with Bluesky. But bridges are a normal part of federation, if this feels threatening I strongly recommend you read up on how ActivityPub (the protocol used by Mastodon) works, how bridges work, and the history of bridges in the fediverse.

    Odds are you'll never see any personal impact from this whatsoever unless you make friends with someone who's on Bluesky or share something that goes super viral (in which case you'll probably be thankful for this because you have zero control over screenshots, but through the bridge you'll still have access to blocking, deleting, and editing of posts)

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• mjgardner@social.sdf.org ⁨8⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

  @snarfed.org I’m looking forward to following #Bluesky accounts here. It seems like the other side has lots of knobs for twiddling opaque algorithms and all follows, but precious few for moderating what I see from the individual “knobs” I follow there.

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• jigmedatse@social.jigmedatse.com ⁨8⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

  @snarfed.org @activitypubblueskybridge @fedidevs @fediversenews I'm undecided about Bluesky, but I was undecided about Threads. My thing with Threads was, "I'm a single person instance (now a 2 person instance briefly a 3 person instance) so the damage done while I'm not around is minimal". Bluesky seems to be *trying* to be not a problem, but I'm not sure they will prove to be not a problem. Thanks for your work.

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• roburleconquerant@mastodon.underworld.fr ⁨8⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

  @snarfed.org @activitypubblueskybridge @fedidevs @fediversenews
  You may want to check compliance with GDPR before doing this.
  @aeris you may be interested in this.

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  • shiri@foggyminds.com ⁨8⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

    @roburleconquerant @aeris @snarfed.org you only need to check compliance if you're in a GDPR country (they are not), and GDPR's stance on this will be the exact same as on federation in general (as such if this is illegal than the entire fediverse is illegal to begin with)

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• fell@ma.fellr.net ⁨8⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

  @snarfed.org I just came here to say that I support your work and I'm totally for building a bridge. The web should be free and so should the information in it.

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• gregsie@fosstodon.org ⁨8⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

  @snarfed.org @activitypubblueskybridge @fedidevs @fediversenews

  You have this totally the wrong way round and are not respecting user privacy. If you're making big changes like this the default should be opted out, not opted in with a choice to opt out.
  Don't be a dick like Facebook et.al do the right thing from the start.

  Also we Europeans have stronger data protection laws and I suspect you're breaking them.

  #respectuserprivacy
  #GDPR

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  • shiri@foggyminds.com ⁨8⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

    @gregsie @snarfed.org they're already doing the right thing from the start and exceeding expectations, offering any such feature is totally abnormal for a bridge.

    Maybe you should consider whether you're doing the right thing by coming into the fediverse with assumptions that bridges should be opt-in when in the community they've always been automatic, opting out purely by blocking.

    And in regards to the GDPR (A) nobody outside of a GDPR country cares (B) GDPR applies as much to bridges as it does to other instances, if it's illegal for the bridge to operate then it's also going to be illegal for multiple core AP functions to operate as well.

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• grislyeye@toot.io ⁨8⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

  @snarfed.org @activitypubblueskybridge @fedidevs @fediversenews Trying to figure out how to access this, but @grislyeye.com doesn't seem to be working, and the docs aren't clear.

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  • shiri@foggyminds.com ⁨8⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

    @grislyeye @grislyeye.com @snarfed.org nothing to access yet, Bluesky is about to federate but hasn't yet

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• Nora@tiflo.social ⁨8⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

  @snarfed.org @activitypubblueskybridge @fedidevs @fediversenews
  @javido ¿ Nosotros aquí en tiflo como quedamos con esto?

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  • byjp@hachyderm.io ⁨8⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

    @Nora @activitypubblueskybridge @fedidevs @fediversenews @javido (Disculpe, estoy aprendiendo español!) ¿Quieres "bridge" a Bluesky con tecnologías de asistencia para invidentes?

    (Excuse me, I’m learning Spanish!) you want to “bridge” with Bluesky with assistive technologies for the blind?

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• fernwoodsson@mastodon.online ⁨8⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

  @snarfed.org @activitypubblueskybridge @fedidevs @fediversenews Awesome!

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• scott@authorship.studio ⁨8⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

  I think a lot of people think that Mastodon is the fediverse, and then freak out when they find out that it is actually connected to all of these other things too. I am guessing no one told them what federation is and how it works.

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  • DavidBHimself@firefish.city ⁨8⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

    @scott@authorship.studio This was my feeling when the Threads freakout happened last summer and it has been confirmed since yesterday.
    
    A lot of Mastodon users don't understand the first thing about the Fediverse and federation.
    
    And it's concerning when some of those people are Mastodon admins.
    
    #Mastodon #Fediverse #Federation #Consent #Privacy #BlueSky #Threads

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• shiri@foggyminds.com ⁨8⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

  @snarfed.org @snarfed glad to see this already underway, sorry however to see the amount of hate you're getting from people who don't understand how the fediverse works... if they think this is bad, should I tell them about Mostr? lol

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• tness16@mastodon.social ⁨8⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

  @snarfed.org @activitypubblueskybridge @fedidevs @fediversenews The big fediverse house, it has a big door, why people have to enter from window ?
  @ghazi
  @nizarus

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  • jamie@boothcomputing.social ⁨8⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

    @tness16
    @snarfed.org @activitypubblueskybridge

    Assuming the big door in this context is to join an ActivityPub server, I know several people who came here when Twitter blew up and weren't warmly welcomed. Lots of people telling them they were doing it wrong, etc. So, they left and went to places like Threads or BlueSky. This is giving them a chance to be on their instance of choice (BlueSky) and still follow their friends who did stay on ActivityPub.

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    • tness16@mastodon.social ⁨8⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

      @jamie @snarfed.org @activitypubblueskybridge
      I am not against the people of Threads or BlueSky my opinion is the management of relationships between these two very different worlds, a world of enormous capital based on profit thanks to advertisements and a free and voluntary world which seeks tranquility
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  • ghazi@mastodon.tn ⁨8⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

    @tness16 @snarfed.org @activitypubblueskybridge @fedidevs @fediversenews @nizarus I'm a little bit torn regarding this issue. While it is good to be able to interact with new people who prefer Bluesky for whatever reason, some people don't want their posts shared outside of the fediverse.
    Whatever we post here is publicly accessible to anyone anyways, so I don't think this is a completely bad idea.

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  • shiri@foggyminds.com ⁨8⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

    @tness16 @nizarus @ghazi @snarfed.org this isn't a window, it's an adjoining door. It's letting us and them talk without having to first exit the house, walk around the building and re-enter a completely different house.

    And to be clear, the fediverse is both, this bridge is the fediverse in action. What you mean is ActivityPub.

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    • johannab@cosocial.ca ⁨8⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

      @shiri Shiri that’s the most apt analogy I’ve found so far! May I appropriate that? I find myself sometimes trying to explain fediverse concepts to outsiders.

      I usually resort to the villages-of-many-small-unique-buildngs vs. one-single-monolithic-high-rise allegory.

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• jcastroarnaud@mastodon.online ⁨8⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

  @snarfed.org @activitypubblueskybridge @fedidevs @fediversenews
  I have no interest of connecting into Bluesky, and I'm offended by your assumption that me, and most people, would be interested (opt-out instead of opt-in).

  I call for #fediblock of bsky.brid.gy, and I'm blocking you. Thank you for listening.

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  • shiri@foggyminds.com ⁨8⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

    @jcastroarnaud @snarfed.org it basically is opt in because someone on one side or the other will have to request the content, either one of your users requests a bluesky account or a bluesky user requests your account.

    And the assumption is perfectly reasonable given that it's essentially just another instance, as if Bluesky spun up an activitypub endpoint themselves. The opt-out is at least a nice gesture (though unnecessary because blocking a server is an opt out regardless).

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• zeitverschreib@social.zwoelfdreifuenfundvierzig.net ⁨8⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

  @snarfed.org I trust that you will change OptOut to OptIn before your bridge goes online.

  Just to make sure, I hereby prohibit the bridging of any information from this instance to BlueSky.

  Furthermore, what are your plans for posts with more than 300 characters? I hope that you are not planning to forward incomplete posts to Bluesky, possibly destroying their meaning.

  #nobridge

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  • shiri@foggyminds.com ⁨8⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

    @zeitverschreib @snarfed.org (a) the hashtag goes in your bio (b) that's not going to change, they're being nice, the norm is that bridges don't ask and the only way to have a say at all is to just block the bridge... which you can always do.

    If you feel like your content needs to be opt-in to distribute, you should set all your posts private (bridge will only see them if you accept a follow request from a Bluesky user on the bridge), or you should move to a whitelist server (where your posts will only federate to explicitly approved servers)

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• jonquass@techhub.social ⁨8⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

  @snarfed.org
  I'll just respond to say, thanks for letting me know. I hope things go well, and I like the option to connect withore people.
  @activitypubblueskybridge @fedidevs @fediversenews

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• lime360@mstdn.social ⁨8⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

  @snarfed.org @activitypubblueskybridge @fedidevs @fediversenews this is for your own good

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• allen099@mastodon.online ⁨8⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

  @snarfed.org
  @Gargron can we opt out of this bridge on mastodon.online please? Thanks.

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  • Snowshadow@mastodon.social ⁨8⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

    @allen099 @snarfed.org @Gargron I sent a message to snarfed telling him what I thought of his outrageous "opt-out" option ...what a way to pad the numbers count for bluesky!
    Who would want to deal with an organization that has the audacity to pull this stunt!

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    • allen099@mastodon.online ⁨8⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

      @Snowshadow @Gargron Agree! Though for me, part of the appeal of being in an open world (Fediverse) is not having someone sign me up for something I didn’t ask for. It’s a simple as that.

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• grrrr_shark@supervolcano.angryshark.eu ⁨8⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

  @snarfed.org @activitypubblueskybridge @fedidevs @fediversenews "Moderate people, not code" fails to learn from the simple fact that technology is not, and has never been, neutral.

  You have to do both.

  Nice catchphrase, but completely meaningless.

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• PCOWandre@jauntygoat.net ⁨8⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

  @snarfed.org @activitypubblueskybridge @fedidevs @fediversenews

  If you'd like to use our content, how about paying us for it?

  Or at least consider the copyright position of each post/account rather than assuming what we produce is free for you to re-use.

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  • luca@sironi.tk ⁨8⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

    @PCOWandre @snarfed.org@snarfed.org @activitypubblueskybridge @fedidevs @fediversenews

    Andre, you know, this public post you just wrote, has been temporarily cached by my pleroma server. I wonder if you consider that i'm using your content by simply answering you.

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    • PCOWandre@jauntygoat.net ⁨8⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

      @luca @activitypubblueskybridge @fedidevs @fediversenews That would be using the content as intended. In the same way that allowing a browser to cache a web page doesn't entitle the browser use to then republish that content under their own domain.

      Similarly, owning and using a DVR doesn't grant one the right to sell copies of a TV show.

      I can borrow a book from a library, but that doesn't entitle me to photocopy it, rebind it and sell it to another library.

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• loehwe@social.tchncs.de ⁨8⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

  @snarfed.org @activitypubblueskybridge @fedidevs @fediversenews lovely, thanks for creating this, looking forward to talking to old and new friends on #Bluesky from the comfort of my #Mastodon account !! so please by any means opt me in (should it come to it)

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• stpaultim@fosstodon.org ⁨8⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

  @snarfed.org

  Thanks for your work on this valuable feature for the Fediverse AND for your transparency and willingness to listen to the feedback of the community.

  Please, don't let the loudest and most hostile voices discourage you.

  Clearly, we all need to do better at communicating how the Fediverse works and setting realistic expectations about privacy on this network.

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• retiolus@mamot.fr ⁨8⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

  @snarfed.org @activitypubblueskybridge @fedidevs @fediversenews i like the #nobridge in the account description, but I think you also should respect the #nobot. I don't want to finish with 3000000 hashtags in my description

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  • shiri@foggyminds.com ⁨8⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

    @retiolus @snarfed.org Biggest problem is that there are plenty (and likely more) people who don't want to deal with bots but who don't mind bridges

    The hashtags in description is unfortunately just a limitation of AP until they come up with some other method to set a flag like that. (Think of it like how hashtags themselves weren't a feature anywhere until after people had already been using them in their posts on Twitter for quite a while)

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• geos@toot.community ⁨8⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

  @snarfed.org @activitypubblueskybridge @fedidevs @fediversenews No thank you. Opt-out!

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• HerrGuenni@social.tchncs.de ⁨8⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

  @snarfed.org
  Great News!
  @activitypubblueskybridge @fedidevs @fediversenews

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• macfranc@poliverso.org ⁨8⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

  Hi @snarfed.org
  as a Friendica user I already have the possibility to connect to the world of Bluesky, but I'm really happy that you are creating a useful tool for all other users of the fediverse!

  Bluesky is a project with many critical issues and with volumes that can be problematic to manage for the instances of the Fediverse, but it is objectively a very interesting environment that is attracting the best of the users who had remained on Twitter but who unfortunately had not managed to settle into the architecture of the Fediverse.

  Every project designed to create bridges deserves to be respected and supported.

  For this I thank you!

  @snarfed

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• jakob@soc.schuerz.at ⁨8⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

  @snarfed.org @snarfed

  I use Friendica. And friendica hast a bluesky-adapter built-in.
  As admin i can activate it, and users can configure it for their needs...

  So... instead of building such bridges it would be a great idea to build native support for different protocols in the services like mastodon, pleroma, *key...

  Fill feature-requests to your projects to build a pressure-peergroup for your devs to demonstrate the need for.

  For my part...
  I left the commercial serviceproviders, when i discovered the fediverse. They are destroying the internet and they are also destroying democraties all over the world with their algorithms and monetarization of their users ...

  This is evident. Free democratic countries do not need humanophobe tech-bros from silicon-valley or somewhere else.

  So... i won't support their business-model. Free internet works by people like me, who host their own services, and work by devs of free software, who build code for selfhosters.

  Think about, whose busimess you will support with your bridge.

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  • macfranc@poliverso.org ⁨8⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

    @jakob
    

    > I use Friendica. And friendica hast a bluesky-adapter built-in.
    > As admin i can activate it, and users can configure it for their needs...
    >
    > So... instead of building such bridges it would be a great idea to build native support for different protocols in the services like mastodon, pleroma, *key...

    I am also an administrator of Friendica and for this very reason I know that I cannot ask the developers of the other social networks in the Fediverse to develop special connection bridges with other social networks.

    In fact, Friendica is a software that was born "hyperconnected by design": today it supports Bluesky and Tumbir and I remind you that Friendica also supported Facebook and Twitter, at least until these social networks removed support for their APIs!

    For this reason you shouldn't worry about the bridges that are about to be built: the nice thing about bridges is that they connect to other places, but in case of danger they can be blown up.

    @snarfed.org @snarfed

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• J12t@social.coop ⁨8⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

  @snarfed.org @activitypubblueskybridge @fedidevs @fediversenews To the people on this thread who talk about GDPR violations: I’d be interested in the specific clause in the GDPR that you believe a bridge like this violates. Curious.

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  • tallship@public.mitra.social ⁨8⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

    @J12t @fediversenews @fedidevs @activitypubblueskybridge @snarfed.org

    Johannes, There isn't one - they're talking out of their ass.

    They're just making noise and emotionally distressed to discover that this is how the #Fediverse currently works, and always has worked - and it's not just the #ActivityPub portions of the Fediverse, or even the Fediverse - it's the entire #Internet...

    "If you affect a public post, you have no expectation of privacy".

    For those who still feel some sense of having been offended, I welcome them to unplug their computers and toss their iPhones and Androids into the trash. That's really their only option, and they'll come to that realization some day, maybe, and it is of no consequence for anyone else in the world if they don't.

    #tallship #FOSS #networking #privacy #ignorance

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    • J12t@social.coop ⁨8⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

      @tallship The counterpoint is that people generally respect CC licenses (weakly) attached to their creations. (For people != the AI crowd)

      We need something similar to that — well, inspired by — for posts. I’m sure Ryan would gladly honor “do not propagate to for-profit entities”, for example, if it could be attached to a post.

      @fediversenews @fedidevs @activitypubblueskybridge @snarfed.org

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• tallship@public.mitra.social ⁨8⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

  @snarfed.org

  Ryan,

  How refreshing!

  Another bridging mechanism to extend the reach and interoperability with other Fediverse protocols in the #DeSoc space is most welcome, and from the limited analysis I've been able to perform so far this is a novel approach to what some point in the future will find other Fediverse platforms incorporating in their network stacks.

  So far, we've got seamless nostr interoperability to add to the other fine protocols such as Diaspora, ZOT, Nomad, OStatus, ActivityPub, and others in the mix. You might also wish to take a look at the repo for Minds to see how they've made seamless integration between the ActivityPub and nostr portions of the #Fediverse as well, and oh, pay no mind to the infantile and disparaging remarks that some small minded folks in this thread have exhibited - they are free to *defederate themselves from the Fediverse at any time.

  We've been following withe some enthusiasm your project in the Fediverse-City community and it would be a pleasure to have you participate there. Your insight into the open and public aspects of Fediverse traffic in the #DeSoc world is a testament to the innovation and evolution that is possible in obviating the proprietary, privacy disrespecting, deprecated monolothic silo networks that have sowed so much acrimony and subjugation over the very people whom they seek to quantify as their business products.

  You're performing a great service here, feel free to block any miscreants in this thread who don't understand the definition of public.

  Also, might I suggest that instead of offering a `#nobridge keyword index, you think about offering a solution as a FEP here?:
  https://codeberg.org/fediverse/fep/

  There are a lot of Fediverse platform developers I'm sure that you'll find welcoming, encouraging, and willing to offer assistance in formulating solutions to silence the adolescent juvenile mindsets that have been berating you in this thread for your selfless commitment to the well being of us all.

  In the future, the Fediverse that we perceive and interact within will become its own heterogeneous superset of networking protocols to facilitate effortless communications between individual parties regardless of which portions of the Fediverse and their associated protocols implemented. Just like #OStatus has been largely supplanted by ActivityPub, and #ZOT has been superseded by #Nomad, the ActivityPub portion of the Fediverse will also eventually be deprecated and replaced by other stacks that will emerge from the ether of creativity. In the meantime, we'll be bridging between the various protocol stacks, and Bridgy-fed is one of those tools that serves to make that a reality :)

  Thank you again, for your selfless contribution to #DeSoc and the Fediverse. it's a fantastic achievement that will serve to benefit many in both the #ATP and #ActivityPub portions of the Fediverse!

  #tallship #bridgy #FOSS #Fediverse #DeSoc #innovation

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