The truth of the matter is, Canadian laws are intentionally non-sensical and intentionally don’t address the root cause of crime. Our country’s leaders are openly engaging in numerous large scale scams not the least of which is the stolen car market. How do you think alllllll of these stolen cars wind up in Africa and SE Asia? Shipping manifests, inspections, public awareness of the string of thefts. How does the government manage to always miss these blind spots do you think?
Canada declares Flipper Zero public enemy No. 1 in car-theft crackdown
Submitted 11 months ago by fne8w2ah@lemmy.world to technology@lemmy.world
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dangblingus@lemmy.dbzer0.com 11 months ago
bassomitron@lemmy.world 11 months ago
I’m no expert, but wouldn’t it be very expensive to ship a bunch of cars to a different continent? Particularly stolen ones?
Grimy@lemmy.world 11 months ago
Yea but not as expensive as shipping a bunch of cars and also paying full price.
A quick google tells me 90% of the legal trade is shipped by boat, so you are paying for the boat regardless.
JASN_DE@lemmy.world 11 months ago
Not really. Those don’t go on specialized car freighters, they’re just packed into a shipping container.
Vertelleus@sh.itjust.works 11 months ago
“It’s really easy to duplicate keys for this car, let’s ban key makers.”
BruceTwarzen@kbin.social 11 months ago
While we're at it, let's make theft illegal
doctorcrimson@lemmy.today 11 months ago
I could care less about cars, but this thing has hacked glucose pumps and led to a St Jude’s pacemaker recall, so fuck em.
vox@sopuli.xyz 11 months ago
it can’t do anything a rooted phone can’t.
doctorcrimson@lemmy.today 11 months ago
They why weren’t glucose pumps and pacemakers being targeted by phones before these Flipper Zero started trending?
grue@lemmy.world 11 months ago
How do you ban a device built with open source hardware and software anyway?
Tyrannically.
dangblingus@lemmy.dbzer0.com 11 months ago
It’s hardly tyrannical. It’s a device meant to be used to steal cars. Not banning it would be seen as willfully ignoring part of the problem. They’re still ignoring the root cause of the problem, but they have to be seen attempting to govern. If they’re not banning the open source hardware, then we’re not living under the thumb of a tyrant.
grue@lemmy.world 11 months ago
It’s a device meant to be used to steal cars.
No, that’s a lie. It’s no different than saying that a VCR is “a device meant to steal movies.”
Barky@lemmy.zip 11 months ago
Bro what are you talking about
FonsNihilo@lemmy.ca 11 months ago
Right, so with this logic we should ban smart phones because they can pirate digital media.
The device was not ment to steal cars, just as smart phones aren’t designed to pirate media.
Also unlike the smart phone and its abilityto priate content, this device cannot steal cars. It might be able to steal a car from the 90’s without a proper secure key FOB.
autotldr@lemmings.world [bot] 11 months ago
This is the best summary I could come up with:
Presumably, such tools subject to the ban would include HackRF One and LimeSDR, which have become crucial for analyzing and testing the security of all kinds of electronic devices to find vulnerabilities before they’re exploited.
This slim, lightweight device bearing the logo of an adorable dolphin acts as a Swiss Army knife for sending, receiving, and analyzing all kinds of wireless communications.
People can use them to change the channels of a TV at a bar covertly, clone simple hotel key cards, read the RFID chip implanted in pets, open and close some garage doors, and, until Apple issued a patch, send iPhones into a never-ending DoS loop.
The price and ease of use make Flipper Zero ideal for beginners and hobbyists who want to understand how increasingly ubiquitous communications protocols such as NFC and Wi-Fi work.
Lost on the Canadian government, the device isn’t especially useful in stealing cars because it lacks the more advanced capabilities required to bypass anti-theft protections introduced in more than two decades.
The most prevalent form of electronics-assisted car theft these days, for instance, uses what are known as signal amplification relay devices against keyless ignition and entry systems.
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vithigar@lemmy.ca 11 months ago
I can’t be the only person who reads “I’m open source” with the same cadence as “I’m on a horse” then hears the Old Spice jingle in my head, can I?
Evkob@lemmy.ca 11 months ago
Well in any case, if you were the only one, you aren’t anymore.
crazyminner@lemmy.ml 11 months ago
I wanted to get one one day. This sucks. Now I’m gunna have to import it from some rando in Brazil like I did for my switch mods.
z3rOR0ne@lemmy.ml 11 months ago
At least the article did a good job of calling this ban the bullshit it is.
Clbull@lemmy.world 11 months ago
This is about more than just cars. Anything that uses RFID, NFC, etc, such as an employee badge or even contactless credit/debit card payments, are vulnerable to such an attack.
Regardless of whether it’s open source hardware/technology, should we be authorising sales of such prebuilt devices for $170 which can allow the average Joe to break into an office or steal a car?
cadekat@pawb.social 11 months ago
Yes we should allow them, because the problem isn’t that this tool is available. The problem is that cars and other devices aren’t more secure.
If you broke into a bank vault with a screwdriver, you don’t ban screwdrivers; you get mad at the bank.
JudahBenHur@lemm.ee 11 months ago
did you read the article? the flipper can essentially “break into” next-to no cars produced after 1990
Should ‘we’ be ‘authorizing sales’ is an interesting choice of words imo also, nothing negative just saying it made me question who the “we” part really is, and if something being sold has thus been authorized by some all powerful body
Toribor@corndog.social 11 months ago
I’d argue that these devices are so cheap and so capable that it exposes the poor security that is rampant everywhere. Banning them wont stop similar devices from being made and used criminally. Instead this should be a wake up call to everyone about which forms of communication or authentication are largely ineffective.
sibannac@sh.itjust.works 11 months ago
Why not improve the security with an arms race? Keep it legal and the responsibility of the manufacturer to make a secure vehicle.
Oaksey@lemmy.world 11 months ago
and recall every car they ever made that can be opened with a remote?
sibannac@sh.itjust.works 11 months ago
Isn’t that what happened with the KIA and Hyundai cars?
cadekat@pawb.social 11 months ago
Right? That’s the thing. Car thieves don’t care if the tool is illegal; they’re already planning on stealing a car.
If you make the tool illegal, you’re just making it harder for security experts who do care about the law.
GilgameshCatBeard@lemmy.ca 11 months ago
Why is that shit even legal?
OsrsNeedsF2P@lemmy.ml 11 months ago
Sounds like buying a bunch of Flipper Zero devices and selling them on the street corner is a great investment opportunity
Mango@lemmy.world 11 months ago
WTB.
I’m in the US. PM me with your scalper prices.
InfiniWheel@lemmy.one 11 months ago
Can you even buy these without ending up on a list somewhere? Since its only sold online this feels like the kind of thing that gets you on a list
Kolanaki@yiffit.net 11 months ago
I know of a mattress company that you can only purchase from online.
The only list it gets you on is a mailing list about their mattresses.
dangblingus@lemmy.dbzer0.com 11 months ago
Mattresses vs Contraband. I wonder if the government monitors web traffic to the contraband website.
Mango@lemmy.world 11 months ago
Ok I see why you guys might think this guy is being dumb, but having spent some time on Agora with all the honey pots, it’s not too crazy.
That said, it’s probably much less likely here my dude.
dangblingus@lemmy.dbzer0.com 11 months ago
Only because Canada doesn’t actually give a shit about car theft. If they did, this would be a very obvious honey pot.
werefreeatlast@lemmy.world 11 months ago
Guns kill people… How about banning guns?
ripcord@lemmy.world 11 months ago
But then how would we well-regulate our militias
werefreeatlast@lemmy.world 11 months ago
Oh yeah. Sorry, what was I thinking! 🤔