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Was this thing generated by a poorly trained LLM?
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Submitted 9 months ago by modev@programming.dev to programming@programming.dev
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lysdexic@programming.dev 9 months ago
lupec@lemm.ee 9 months ago
I can only hope so
modev@programming.dev 9 months ago
I expected such reactions. Thank you all for your answers. We are living in the stream. Every one of us has his own. And circumstances restrict us from changing these streams. What you are feeling when reading this post is your mind’s memory safety. :) I also feel pain when someone is trying to say that my way may be wrong. But I did not tell you that your way is wrong. I also have my way restricted by the fact that I need to earn money for my family. And I hate this fact, and that I can’t change my stream just by one click.
You should not switch to the C, it will be very dangerous. We just can be aware that all can be different and use this knowledge on our way.
Lmaydev@programming.dev 9 months ago
Memory safety is exactly why c needs to die
lolcatnip@reddthat.com 9 months ago
Why stop at programming languages? Let’s scrap everything invented in the last 50 years!
bigkahuna1986@lemmy.ml 9 months ago
Does that mean we can go back to when houses were cheap? I’m willing to make this sacrifice.
Turun@feddit.de 9 months ago
Sure, asbestos is effective and cheap insulation
FuckyWucky@hexbear.net 9 months ago
ok but C kinda sucks for high level shit.
if i want to scrape a website, all i have to do in python is use requests.get
porgamrer@programming.dev 9 months ago
If I went back to the early days of C, it would be because John Connor sent me there in a time machine to destroy the first compiler before it could become self-hosting
modev@programming.dev 9 months ago
But the time machine has been written in C so you could not return back and had to write a C compiler from scratch. Here the story about returning to the roots begins…
amio@kbin.social 9 months ago
Why do computers become more and more powerful, but programs continue to lag?
Because instead of taking advantage of hardware to push boundaries in what we can accomplish, it's exploited so you can turn everything into its own instance of Chromium, with all the bloat and overhead that entails, for the world's simplest application. Even on mobile, where power consumption is allegedly important.
The industry spends so much time reinventing wheels and shoehorning things into each other, instead of doing anything... useful. Can't have a normal web page anymore because waaaah page loads, gotta be SPA, then you gotta reinvent all the stuff that you threw out to make an SPA - probably in the form of several dozen libraries, all of which also keep getting reinvented every other week. What's that, the SPA is now a 4GB download and seven orders of magnitude slower than the page loads it was supposedly meant to avoid? Lol who cares. Put some more layers of transpiled javascript in there anyway. Keeping up with the NPM dependencies alone is now 40% of the manpower in the corporation? Don't worry, it's modular or some shit.
It's not even about the money, none of this helps generate actual value - in theory, being able to just target web makes sense, but not if relentlessly overcomplicated at every turn anyway. If the money/management people could tear themselves away from being phished for five minutes, and actually understood how much time and effort is being wasted on building mostly redundant card houses of mostly unnecessary tech, they'd have a stroke.
Lmaydev@programming.dev 9 months ago
It really does help generate money.
Newer languages are often more productive. Especially in large team environments where you can’t be expected to know the entire codebase.
Reducing mental load on the developer helps a lot. There’s no way you can say c is simpler than higher level languages.
And in many cases the performance bump you get is lost to IO, database and http calls.
In fact if you want to you can write everything with pointers in c# and due to things like tiered jit compilation it can outperform c. You can even compile straight to native code now.
But the fact is people don’t do that because I’m 90+% of cases the extra effort isn’t beneficial.
amio@kbin.social 9 months ago
Reducing mental load on the developer helps a lot. There’s no way you can say c is simpler than higher level languages.
Sure, and... that's why I didn't say that, I guess? I live firmly in VM/script land - C# when I can, actually. Reducing developer load is fine by me and I don't have a particular obsession with optimizing for performance - most things I do are not that exciting.
My point is that there's a difference between layers of abstraction that serve an actual purpose (loops, classes, garbage collection), and weird stuff that grows out of "innovation" that maybe wasn't all that good an idea, but was tacked on something else for novelty or cargo cult reasons, or the wrong kind of laziness. The idea of being able to only target web is fine. The idea of occasionally shipping a browser with a particular app could be merited. I'm just saying maybe not half of every app needed to be bundled with a whole chromium installation.
MaoZedongers@lemmy.today 9 months ago
We have better tools than C today, in C’s own domain.
So many parts of C are poorly designed or outdated and we’re stuck with them because of backwards compatibility.
Look how long it took to deptecate “gets”, a function that is pretty much impossible to use safely.
My choice pick is Nim but Zig and Odin are contenders too.
Plus rust as well.
modev@programming.dev 9 months ago
Nim has beautiful syntax. But does it has a lot of tools?
superb@lemmy.blahaj.zone 9 months ago
Sooo, why return to C? I don’t get it.
tonytins@pawb.social 9 months ago
Most (popular) programs are lagging because they’re all bundling an entire web browser to get around the cross-platform hurdle. Good in theory, bad in practice. However, even infamous programming languages like Java are now as fast as C thanks to advances in hardware and software, such multiple cores and asynchronous tasks.
MaoZedongers@lemmy.today 9 months ago
As fast as C is likely an overstatement, few languages can claim that, but the difference can be negligible or faster in certain optimized usecases.
BatmanAoD@programming.dev 9 months ago
One problem with this is that C is in no way the “roots” of programming; it’s older than most of the languages we use today, but Fortran, Lisp, and Cobol are all older and are also still in use. (And of course there are other languages that predate C but have mostly fallen out of use, such as Pascal.) It feels “low-level” because it closely reflects the hardware for which it was originally designed, the PDP-7 and later the PDP-11. But in fact it hasn’t truly been “low-level” for a long time: I highly recommend the ACM article “C Is Not a Low-level Language; Your computer is not a fast PDP-11.”
LaughingM0n@beehaw.org 9 months ago
Jesus, just stop talking
key@lemmy.keychat.org 9 months ago
C is modern hippy-dippy shit, let’s go back to the only good compiled language: FORTRAN
vext01@lemmy.sdf.org 9 months ago
Pfft. Compilers.
UpperBroccoli@feddit.de 9 months ago
Eh. If you are not using punch tape, are you even really programming?
BatmanAoD@programming.dev 9 months ago
FORTRAN does work on punch tape; that’s why column numbers matter.
GregoryTheGreat@programming.dev 9 months ago
Okay FORTRAN is not that bad.