What is going on with Kbin

Submitted ⁨⁨9⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago⁩ by ⁨TheVillageGuy@kbin.melroy.org⁩ to ⁨fediverse@lemmy.world⁩

https://kbin.melroy.org/m/fediverse@lemmy.world/t/100460

I almost feel like it's October last year, when I pled for improvement on all fronts regarding the Kbin development strategy. Now it seems development has ceased once again and there hasn't been chat on the matrix channels for over a week.

What is going on?

We can only speculate, based on what has happened in the past. Several mind bending theories can come to mind.

Perhaps Ernest (and whatever team still exists) is continuing development in the background, not publicly sharing his work on codeberg. He may have had enough of all the criticism and wants to do it his way without interference. This may sound a bit far fetched, but he's admitted in the past that he prefers concentrating on coding over communicating with his community.

Other theories could involve something bad involving Ernest personally, let us hope that is not the case. Ernest is a great person, nobody would wish anything bad upon him.

But in reality, speculation doesn't change anything, we can only deal with the situation at hand.

I believe waiting for a new release comes with too many risks in the current setting. Nobody can monitor the code during progress or do any testing for themselves while development is ongoing (assuming it is). If anything, what's coming next? Your guess is as good as mine.

A new version may well break compatibility between Kbin and Mbin. Mbin is trying to stay compatible with Kbin for as long as reasonably possible. However, staying compatible with something that is out of sight and out of one's control is challenging, if not impossible. A break in compatibility would mean there will be no easy way to migrate to Mbin after an upgrade for Kbin users who have patiently waited for one, should they want to.

I would not want the future of my instance to be dependent of such a level of uncertainty, now or in the future.

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roofuskit@lemmy.world ⁨9⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago
Best of luck to Ernest, but whatever is going on in his life as long as kbin depends on him entirely it seems like kbin will never take off. The second kbin skyrocketed he should have worked on spreading out responsibility with like minded devs.

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- Kata1yst@kbin.social ⁨9⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago
  He did though. And honestly the website has come very far in a short period of time, I really don't understand the concerns and whining in this thread...
  
  From codeberg-
  
  Core Team
  ernest
  szsz
  cooperaj
  rideranton
  AnonymousLlama
  
  https://codeberg.org/org/Kbin/teams
  
  Design Team
  cody
  
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  - TheVillageGuy@kbin.melroy.org ⁨9⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago
    That's great, assuming they're all contributing. If that's the case however, I can only assume it's being done behind the scenes, essentially deviating from the open source nature of the project
    
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misk@sopuli.xyz ⁨9⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago
Ernest is still posting devlogs:

kbin.social/u/ernest

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- nnullzz@lemmy.world ⁨9⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago
  Yeah and actually posted 3 days ago explaining a bit about what’s going on.
  
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  - TheVillageGuy@kbin.melroy.org ⁨9⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago
    It's the "a bit" part that worries me a bit. Without commits on codeberg there's no certainty any progress is actually being made
    
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- TheVillageGuy@kbin.melroy.org ⁨9⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago
  At least we know he's doing alright then, that's a relief
  
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Nerd02@lemmy.basedcount.com ⁨9⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago
I’m not too familiar with the drama but any time I visit kbin.social there’s some error or outage going on. Also the documentation is pretty lackluster, developing 3rd party tools for kbin is pretty much impossible.

Mbin looks way more promising, if anything because of the better docs, new features and community-driven direction it’s taking. I hope most kbin users jump ship.

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- PlasterAnalyst@kbin.social ⁨9⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago
  There was a bunch of downtime over the holidays. I assumed it was due to the Lemmy update withholding posts for several days and then flooding kbin. It doesn't bother me in the slightest and I have multiple fediverse accounts.
  
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Blaze@discuss.tchncs.de ⁨9⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago
Well, as you stated, nobody knows.

I am more hopeful with Mbin than Kbin for now. I just hope that Ernest is doing fine.

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SGNL@kbin.social ⁨9⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago
These types of threads always come across as whiny and overblown to me. Kbin works just fine the majority of the time, and it's still my preferred method for accessing microblogging/thread data.

The fediverse is a massive project, if you don't like what one part is doing go elsewhere, you can access most content in a variety of ways and it's good to have alternatives.

I'm far more appreciative of what kbin brings to the table than what all these naysaying posts and circle-jerks bring up everytime there is a lull.

Is there criticism of kbin, sure? But how is this constructive rather than whiny doom bait.

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- HubertManne@kbin.social ⁨9⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago
  yeah I chose kbin because out of the options I found at the time I liked it best. Im not going to make a new account somewhere unless either kbin just gets bad for some reason (and im not someone who jumps ship due to a day or two it would have to be extensive) or some other thing would have to have some sort of amazing features that made it worthwhile and given I like simplicity overall I doubt that will happen.
  
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  - TheVillageGuy@kbin.melroy.org ⁨9⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago
    If your instance admin would choose to switch to Mbin, you'd hardly notice and you'd definitely not have to make a new user account
    
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Navarian@lemm.ee ⁨9⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago
If it helps, you can just use something else like Lemmy and still access all kbin content, that’s what I’m currently doing.

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PlasterAnalyst@kbin.social ⁨9⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago
Then don't use it.

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- TheVillageGuy@kbin.melroy.org ⁨9⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago
  My point exactly
  
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  - density@kbin.social ⁨9⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago
    According to https://fedidb.org/software/kbin there are a grand total of 29 active kbin servers. Of 61,489 users on all instances, 59,962 of these are on kbin.social. Monthly active users being 4,775/4,938
    
    kbin.social, as you are aware, is owned and run by @earnest.
    
    In other words I am not sure who you are addressing here. >99% of kbin users are on a single server which has little chance of switching to mbin.
    
    Why don't you just go and enjoy the platform of your choice? This performative misery is so strange.
    
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lambalicious@lemmy.sdf.org ⁨9⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

I would not want the future of my instance to be dependent of such a level of uncertainty, now or in the future.

You can always go to a big provider like Facebook. They’ll surely won’t have issues with your documented whining on Kbin.

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