Joplin alternative needed

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• fenndev@leminal.space ⁨4⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

  Have you looked into either Obsidian or Logseq?

  Obsidian is not open source, but uses Markdown for notes just like Logseq. Very popular overall.

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  • Opisek@lemmy.world ⁨4⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

    I also switched from Joplin to Obsidian after about half a year. There’s an open-source plugin that lets you self-host a syncing server.

    What I found paradoxical is how easy it is to mod and write plugins for Obsidian compared to Joplin. I would’ve thought that modifying the open-source candidate would’ve been easier, but nope.

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  • krash@lemmy.ml ⁨4⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

    I second obsidian. I was on the verge to jump onto logseq, but found its way of handling notes to be… different. I also felt a dislike of anytype where I don’t really have control over my notes. Obsidian clicked with me from the start and felt right. So I went with it, even though it’s not FOSS (which is usually a hard requirement from me).

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  • jaykay@lemmy.zip ⁨4⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

    Yeah, I’ve been on Obsidian before, but self-hosted syncing on iOS is a bit finicky.

    I’ve heard good things about Logseq, but it’s certainly a waaay different approach to notes. I’ll have to read more about it. Thanks :)

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  • helenslunch@feddit.nl ⁨4⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

    How do you self-host Obsidian?

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    • bbuez@lemmy.world ⁨4⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

      Syncthing is the way, I had tried setting on nextcloud but never could get it to store how I wanted, but syncthinf was ridiculously easy and should work for anything that uses a folder

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    • RootBeerGuy@discuss.tchncs.de ⁨4⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

      That’s the near thing about it… you don’t.

      But jokes aside, it is mostly about syncing notes for the selfhosting part. You either go with the official offer, no self-hosting and costs money, or you use a community plug-in, self-hosted, or you use a third program like syncthing, selfhosted.

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• TCB13@lemmy.world ⁨4⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

  why is it Postgres db…

  Why on earth are you using that? Just use WebDAV, you’ll only be required to have some WebDAV server such as Nginx and it will sync GB of notes without issues. joplinapp.org/help/apps/sync/webdav/ medium.com/…/build-a-webdav-server-with-nginx-866…

  I would’ve NEVER ever moved to Joplin if it wasn’t able to sync with WebDAV. I’m not into having a special daemon running on a server for that task, makes zero sense.

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  • jaykay@lemmy.zip ⁨4⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

    I need to look into webDAV then :D

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    • TCB13@lemmy.world ⁨4⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

      Yes you do ahaha

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  • colebrodine@midwest.social ⁨4⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

    It works great with my self-hosted NextCloud!

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• knF@lemmy.world ⁨4⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

  Did you know that you can use Joplin on a standard webdav server? Basically it just takes up the space of the data itself. I have it on a Caddy server and works like q charm synching between Windows and Android client

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  • observantTrapezium@lemmy.ca ⁨4⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

    Came here to say just that. The WebDAV synchronization target is great.

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  • jaykay@lemmy.zip ⁨4⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

    Yeah, I’m yet to play around with WebDAV or learning what it actually is haha Will look into it, thanks :)

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• Unlearned9545@lemmy.world ⁨4⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

  Connect it to a DAV server and you dont have to learn a new software.

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  • jaykay@lemmy.zip ⁨4⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

    Gotta learn about that DAV thing everyone is talking about ig haha

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• bluespin@lemmy.world ⁨4⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

  I recently switched from Joplin to Obsidian for different reasons. I’d prefer something FOSS, but so far I’ve been happy with the transition. Since it works with plain markdown files, it would fit your use case

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  • jaykay@lemmy.zip ⁨4⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

    I’ve switched from Obsidian to Joplin actually, cos syncing was a chore and Joplin is more straight forward imo

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• Cyber@feddit.uk ⁨4⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

  Logseq. That is all. (Oh, and syncthing…)

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  • jaykay@lemmy.zip ⁨4⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

    I find their paradigm… different and not entirely sure if I like it yet, need to look into it more :)

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    • fossphi@lemm.ee ⁨4⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

      Do you mind expanding a bit on how you use joplin? I’m curious about the difference you found compared to logseq

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• indigomirage@lemmy.ca ⁨4⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

  Can you not just backup the pg txn logs (with periodic full backups, purged in accordance with your needs?). That’s a much safer way to approach DBs anyway.

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• code@lemmy.zip ⁨4⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

  Joplin server also will use a file based storage instead of the db. And db then is only used for users

  I use joplin as i share notes and collaborate with my wife. Obsidian etc dont do that. Id love to be on obsidian as i really like it but sharing notebooks is mandatory

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  • Squizzy@lemmy.world ⁨4⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

    This is why I’m moving to Joplin too

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• letsgo@lemm.ee ⁨4⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

  Oops I thought you were going to be ragging on an early jazz genre.

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• DichotoDeezNutz@lemmy.world ⁨4⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

  I’m going to start developing my own alternative, is there any features that you really need/want?

  I was planning on making this self hosted via docker with the option to save to Google drive.

  github.com/ssebs/PadPal-Server

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  • Voroxpete@sh.itjust.works ⁨4⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

    Here’s what I would be looking for;

    • Decent mobile app (more than happy to pay for this if it’s a one time fee)
    • Bonus for a OneNote / Evernote style Android widget
    • WYSIWYG editor on mobile and desktop (why in God’s name does every Foss notes app insist I use a markdown language?) with bullet points, numbered lists, bold, italic, underline, strikethrough, and headings.
    • Checklists (as in, ability to add checkboxes to notes)
    • Ability to create an arbitrarily deep folder structure
    • Tags would be nice
    • Import from popular apps like OneNote, Evernote, or Joplin is basically essential at this point. A lot of us have way too fucking many notes to move by hand.

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    • DichotoDeezNutz@lemmy.world ⁨4⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

      Most of those are on the to-do list! I definitely like the Google keep style widget but want better UX when typing out bullet lists.

      Thanks for the suggestions

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• 2xsaiko@discuss.tchncs.de ⁨4⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

  Seconding what others have already said. You should ABSOLUTELY NOT directly back up /var/lib/postgresql if that’s what you’re doing right now. Instead, use pg_dump: www.postgresql.org/docs/current/backup-dump.html

  This should also give you smaller and probably more compressible backup sizes.

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• aniki@lemm.ee ⁨4⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

  Why are you not using the built-in backup system?

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  • jaykay@lemmy.zip ⁨4⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

    If you mean the ‘export’ function, it’s not really the same as I’d have to do it manually every time

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• vvv@programming.dev ⁨4⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

  Why do you need to back up that server data? The great thing about joplin, is that the full content of your notes (and history) is distributed, like a git repo. As long as you have one device left with your notes, everything else can be bootstrapped from there. If your sync server burns down, start a new one and sync your notes to it again.

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  • jaykay@lemmy.zip ⁨4⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

    True, should’ve thought of that. Well, at least this gives me a chance to explore and learn alternatives :P

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  • BearOfaTime@lemm.ee ⁨4⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

    Genuine question - doesn’t this leave you open to loss of data from database corruption or an app failure (or human error, accidentally deleting a bunch of pages, for example)?

    I’ve used “sync as backup” a lot, and run into these kinds of issues (it’s my current OneNote “backup” strategy). I’m just not familiar enough with Joplin to know what risks this exposes.

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    • jaykay@lemmy.zip ⁨4⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

      There is a fail-safe switch in settings preventing the deletion of local copy if the remote is empty

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• smileyhead@discuss.tchncs.de ⁨4⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

  Notesnook is great. Not yet self-hostable (server is open source), but they are working on it.

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• fahad@lemmy.world ⁨4⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

  Logseq

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• entropicshart@sh.itjust.works ⁨4⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

  I self host Outline with storage connected to a Minio instance that I use as S3 storage for several applications.

  I loved the ability of writing in markdown form, but a simple and intuitive design, with the ability to share a whole collection, a subset of pages, or a single page publicly without dealing with a bunch of overhead.

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• gazby@lemmy.dbzer0.com ⁨4⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

  If you’re after some help with the WebDAV part I set it up for myself recently and would be happy to help adapt my stuff to your stack (mine is Apache + compose, but would be about just as easy with anything else). Reply here or DM any time 💯

  And good on you for being turned around on your original premise and being so gracious about it in the comments mate 👍

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• Decronym@lemmy.decronym.xyz ⁨4⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

  Acronyms, initialisms, abbreviations, contractions, and other phrases which expand to something larger, that I’ve seen in this thread:

  Fewer Letters	More Letters
  Git	Popular version control system, primarily for code
  HTTP	Hypertext Transfer Protocol, the Web
  nginx	Popular HTTP server

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• Bitrot@lemmy.sdf.org ⁨4⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

  Simplenote, Notesnook, Obsidian.

  Obsidian sync isn’t free, and it’s easy to violate their license if you mix work and personal notes.

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• atzanteol@sh.itjust.works ⁨4⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

  I think you need to learn more about how databases work. They don’t typically reclaim deleted space automatically for performance reasons. Databases like to write to a single large file they can then index into. Re-writing those files is expensive so left to the DBA (you) to determine when it should be done.

  And how are you backing up the database? Just backing up /var/lib/postgres? Or are you doing a pg_dump? If the former then it’s possible your backups won’t be coherent if you haven’t stopped your database and it will contain that full history of deleted stuff. pg_dump would give you just the current data in a way that will apply properly to a new database should you need to restore

  You can also consider your backup retention policy. How many backups do you need for how long?

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  • jaykay@lemmy.zip ⁨4⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

    You are right, I should. They are a bit more complicated than I anticipated, and apparently I’m doing everything wrong, haha. I have backups set up to go 2 years back, but I’m checking backblaze occasionally to check, so it shouldn’t be an issue. I have two months so far lol Thanks for the write-up :)

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