will the fediverse stop existing??

Submitted ⁨⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago⁩ by ⁨01adrianrdgz@lemmy.world⁩ to ⁨fediverse@lemmy.world⁩

im very worried about this!!! i read news about meta with the fediverse and people say meta will destroy and make the fediverse stop existing and force everyone to go to facebook?? is this true?? they will embrace extend and extinguish?? and kill the fediverse??? but this is my only social media!! im not against meta but i dont want the fediverse to stop exising, is meta going to shut down fediverse instances?

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tfw_no_toiletpaper@feddit.de ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago
You should leave immediately and stop trolling

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- Alchemy@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago
  I recognize the username. Not the first top quality post they have made.
  
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  - tfw_no_toiletpaper@feddit.de ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago
    Lmao yeah I saw.
    
    Wonder what kick you get out of pretending to be stupid
    
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  - BarbecueCowboy@kbin.social ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago
    Looking at the rest of the post history here, I'm almost positive this poster is just maybe a bit young.
    
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- 01adrianrdgz@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago
  no im not trolling im very sorry, im extremely worried
  
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n3m37h@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago
Yes META agents are going to go to every location of an instance and destroy their servers!

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- 01adrianrdgz@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago
  why?? that would be illegal, plus the millions of instances make it hard to locate them
  
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  - n3m37h@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago
    Wow you’re not smart are ya?
    
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frogfruit@sh.itjust.works ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago
Everything will stop existing if you go far enough

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CodexArcanum@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago
What people should be worried about is Meta (or anyone) trying to extend the AP protocol with proprietary stuff or trying to create fake regulations around their own “standards.”

You see this today with Gmail, where even though you can host your own email server, most major services (like gmail) will autoblock you as a spammer. Even though email is an open federated protocol, it’s become captured both by big business and failures in the protocol (to prevent spam and abuse).

AP and the fediverse are maybe more resilient than that. And existing fediverse servers seem to be somewhat diverse and figuring out ways to pay for hosting. That will be the biggest danger is that Threads becomes a default choice due to: low/no cost to join, good uptime, and lots of people you know.

But I think the rest of the fediverse will be around for a long time yet, it’s only really just started to take off!

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yildo@kbin.social ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago
Not sure if you are trolling, but no

Meta is joining the Fediverse not because it needs the people currently on the Fediverse, but because it needs a regulatory figleaf to protect itself from monopoly charges. At Meta's scale, there are 0 users on the Fediverse right now. There is no market benefit to getting Fediverse people to move to Meta

What Meta gets out Threads/Fediverse compat is that suddenly Instagram is not technically a walled garden with platform lock-in, so while the number of people who'll migrate from Instagram Threads to the Fediverse is going to be tiny they suddenly look a lot less like a mean monopoly to regulators

At some point they might remove the Fediverse compat. The people currently screaming about embrace-extend-and-extinguish because Meta is joining will then scream about bait-and-switch even though they've had Threads defederated the whole time. The Fediverse will still be there. That's the cycle of life

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- 01adrianrdgz@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago
  oh ok phew its going to be ok
  
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uphillbothways@kbin.social ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago
Probably. Not sure if this will do it. But there's inherent privacy concerns in having a bunch of relatively insecure silos interoperating as a semi-social network even if most of us do so with varying degrees of anonymity. For the moment, most of us are here to avoid corporate overreach so motivations are in a certain degree of alignment. But it's just a matter of time before something goes wrong or the winds change in an unforeseen way.

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- n3m37h@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago
  You have 0 clue on how the fediverse works
  
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  - skulblaka@kbin.social ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago
    Insult, no elaboration. Classic. Nah I think he's pretty spot on. If you're going to say something about it then back up your argument.
    
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flamingo_pinyata@sopuli.xyz ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago
Of course.

All of us will stop existing at some point. You and me in a couple of decades. Our species and all life on Earth when the Sun goes red giant. Even the universe will die one day dissipating into the maximum entropy of the heat death, or another big bang (not sure about the latest theories)

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- kbal@fedia.io ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago
  Gone, gone, gone beyond, entirely gone beyond.
  
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zeppo@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago
How could meta do that? The issue is that they’re adding federation to connect Threads to mastodon, Lemmy, Kbin and other systems that use it. Like any other instance though, administrators have the option to defederate, and I expect most will. Many already preemptively have them on their block list. If nothing else, it’s expected that being federated with threads would be very intensive in terms of storage and cpu resources, so it wouldn’t be feasible for most instance operators to be connected to them. Plus, it’s unpopular with most users. Meta does not have any control over the open source project or individual instances.

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- 01adrianrdgz@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago
  oh ok thank you, but if they can’t have control then what is the problem of them joining?? they can’t exntinguish it because they can’t delete it
  
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  - zeppo@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago
    This is probably before your time, but it’s like when Usenet was opened to AOL subscribers. Just a giant flood of stupid people. Thankfully, we can defederate.
    
    Other than that and what I mentioned about server resources, many people are here because we don’t like centralized corporate social media. Being connected to a meta service is against the principles of many on the Fediverse. Meta also might try to influence the protocol or open source projects based on it, and as you said, EE&E.
    
    There’s a chance it could actually be good for mastodon and lemmy since there’s a good bit of publicity about it, and people could realize they don’t have to use meta and threads and could just directly use mastodon.
    
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Seraph@kbin.social ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago
MySpace still exists...

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willya@lemmyf.uk ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago
What?…. No

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PM_ME_VINTAGE_30S@lemmy.sdf.org ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago
Short answer: No.

Long answer: Threads, like Mastodon and the social media website formerly known as Twitter, are microblogging sites. While Mastodon users do show up here once in a while, I don’t get their posts unless they actively post in a Lemmy community.

So if your instance decides not to defederate from Threads, and you choose not to block Threads using Lemmy’s upcoming individual instance blocks, you might see their users occasionally comment on stuff. If I recall correctly, it’s pretty difficult for Mastodon users to post on Lemmy for technical reasons that will also apply to Threads.

I do think that quality of life in the wider Fediverse could dip once Threads users are allowed to participate and Threads content is allowed to spread. However, I think that the impact on Lemmy will be small. If it isn’t, we have defederation and soon individual instance blocking to help us filter out the crap.

Because the code for Fediverse sites is free and open source, I think that the Fediverse will exist for the foreseeable future. However, Meta could make it worse. If their past behavior is any indication, i.e. basically all of it, then that’s probably what they’re going to do eventually. At the end of the day, if Threads is too irritating, someone will start an instance of something that is defederated from them.

Personally, I’m not exactly thrilled by the prospect of Meta (or any corporation) joining the Fediverse (or any other aspect of public life), but I think we’ll be okay. I am concerned for people in marginalized groups who will have to deal with the toxic community that Threads has allowed to fester. However, there was a big stink about this a couple months ago where some big instances pre-emptively defederated from Threads. Now might be a good time to make an account on one of those instances.

Regardless of what happens, you will not be literally forced to go to Facebook or Threads. In the absolute worst case scenario, i.e. Meta takes over the Fediverse, you join or host an instance that doesn’t federate with anyone.

I’m an anxious person myself so I know this is hard to internalize: you’ll be okay. We’ll get through this.

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