Why OLED monitor burn-in isn’t a huge problem anymore

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• ShortFuse@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

  The TL;DR is now pixels get tracked for how long they’ve been lit. Then the device can evenly burn out the other pixels so the usage is uniform. The trade off is you are going to lose max brightness in the name of screen uniformity.

  Just hope that this compensation cycle actually runs since some panels just fail to run them. But what most people think is burn-in, actually is not, and is solved by these TV processes.

  Checkout this RTings video for a good overview of lots of different TV brands and how they perform.

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  • Chetzemoka@startrek.website ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

    Thank you for the summary. My takeaway is: So you’re saying I should still get a microLED.

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    • ShortFuse@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

      I have both:

      • an 85" TCL R655 with a bunch of dimming zones that works great in my sunlight-heavy living room for both daytime viewing and family movie night.

      • a 55" LG C1 in my gaming/home-office/theater room with blackout curtains that is great for PC gaming and awesome theater experience.

      I would say it depends on your viewing environment. The inability of an OLED to get bright can ruin the experience. But my game room has blackout curtains and it’s enclosed.

      I just recently moved from 34" Ultrawide to just mounting the 55" onto my desk. It’s oversized for my viewing distance, but 4K resolution is 8million pixels so I rarely run apps in or near fullscreen anymore. I think a 42" LG OLED is perfect for PC.

      If you’re worried about burn-in on PC, just set a screensaver to black your screen in 2 to 5 minutes. That’s why they were invented anyway. For regular media consumption it’s a non-issue.

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• Wahots@pawb.social ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

  I didn’t like the article that much, since it kinda rides on the fact that people are replacing monitors every three years, which most won’t do.

  Most people won’t turn on any non-default settings to mitigate wear. They’ll roll light mode, won’t turn down the brightness, won’t turn on savers, and will leave spotify on while the Taskbar is displayed. 5-8 years of use later, that will probably amount to uneven wear on the panel, making it more likely to go to a landfill rather than be sold secondhand for a new lease on life.

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• vzq@lemmy.blahaj.zone ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

  I’m still using a monitor from 2010 on a daily basis. This consumerist throw away bullshit can go crawl back to the 20th century and die.

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  • mild_deviation@programming.dev ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

    CCFL-lit LCDs are so inefficient compared to modern LED-lit LCDs that you’ve probably spent enough more on electricity by now to have bought a more efficient monitor.

    I can’t speak to the environmental impact, though. Producing the new monitor emitted some amount of CO2, and powering each monitor takes some amount of CO2 per unit time. At some amount of use, the newer monitor will have lower lifetime CO2 generation than your old monitor.

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    • turmacar@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

      Not OP but my electicity is <$0.10 / kWh because of where I live. It seems like it would take much more than 13 years to hit the break even point on upgrading the monitor just because of energy efficiency.

      Even if the newer monitor has less of a lifetime environmental impact, throwing out the old still working one is still wasteful. It’s already made and working. Using it longer lessens your environmental impact. If you repair the old one when it eventually breaks, that’s still less of an impact than an extra ~20% electricity usage. Especially since electricity generation is getting greener all the time.

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  • Murvel@lemm.ee ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

    Sure, if you just throw the display in thrash, dumbass.

    Most of us just sell it second-hand…

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    • vzq@lemmy.blahaj.zone ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

      What about the degradation of the display? It’s ok because you can shovel it off to a poor person?

      It’s very expensive (in terms of resources) non-durable consumer good. Which is a crazy waste even if you foist your junk off to some poor sap that is forced by circumstance to live off your table scraps.

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• cmnybo@discuss.tchncs.de ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

  Burn in will always be a problem, you can’t get rid of it. Sure there are ways to minimize it and monitors can try to hide it, but eventually you will have a task bar, window borders, and desktop icons burned into the screen.

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  • tun@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

    True.

    I still have my 1080p LCD monitor from 2010s working fine.

    According to the article OLED has 5% chance to have burn in after 2 years. The article also mentioned Rtings test 10 years usage for OLED monitors.

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  • narc0tic_bird@lemm.ee ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

    It’s in the “nature” of OLED that it eventually wears down. My understanding is that technically, it’s not burning in, but burning out, and what’s perceived as burn-in is irregular wear of the different color channels or different brightness of the individual pixels (especially with HDR content).

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    • AProfessional@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

      Is the nature of all self-emissive displays, even micro-leds as they become more common.

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  • EncryptKeeper@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

    That’s true, but at the same time LED TVs have a huge problem with bloom issues that are essentially a lottery because most manufacturers don’t consider it an actual defect and won’t replace it.

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• Whirling_Cloudburst@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

  This is a good read.

  On a side note: Anyone remember the story of the guy that went on vacation and his buddy watching the place left the gay porn on pause on the plasma screen as a joke?

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  • Kecessa@sh.itjust.works ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

    I remember that!

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    • cheese_greater@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

      This is gold

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• Send_me_nude_girls@feddit.de ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

  I’m not going to change my habits for a monitor. Hiding the taskbar is annoying, as Windows randomly has the habit of not showing it.

  Also there will be static elements on it for 16+ hours at least on the weekend. 8 to 13 under the week. Some buttons are bright some orange.

  Brightness can’t be lowered much as I don’t have many options to mitigate the sun unless I fully cover the window (bright reflection neighbor houses at different daytimes + normal sun + mirrors on walls etc.)

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  • deur@feddit.nl ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

    Could try to adapt your gaming sessions to include short breaks to help prevent injury, and grab a snack maybe. 10 minute breaks every hour (or few hours :) ) where you turn the monitor off may help?

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    • EncryptKeeper@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

      That’s just far more thought than anybody should be putting into monitor usage.

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  • milkjug@lemmy.wildfyre.dev ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

    Same, it’s the biggest annoyance that’s putting me off an OLED at the moment. I don’t like the idea of having to baby my things and fretting over the small meaningless details with kids’ gloves.

    That and also because DP 2.1 still isn’t a thing in 2023 and only God knows why.

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• Cossty@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

  I will not use oled monitors with desktop pc. With my usage, I would have burn in in 2 years if not sooner. Not counting that, I would still have that thought in my mind, that if I use it more, I will get burn in, and anytime I’m leaving the pc, only for a minute, I should turn it off. I like good contrast and blacks, so my next monitor will probably be good VA with local dimming.

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  • hedgehog@ttrpg.network ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

    On the upside, if you burn in an LG OLED in under two years, it’s covered under the two year warranty. (I didn’t check other manufacturers’ policies; some might do the same thing.)

    I have a laptop with an OLED screen and I have that same thought every time I use it undocked. The screen’s very pretty, though.

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• revoopy@programming.dev ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

  I only read the headline but isn’t part of it WOLED. Using dedicated white subpixels reduces the workload of the other pixels

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  • tun@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

    According to the article, QD-OLED can also improve the image burn-in by using firmware and algorithm.

    Counting the hour uses, leveling with most burnt pixels, reduce the luminosity, giving pixels extra luminosity to use when there is burnt in.

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• autotldr@lemmings.world [bot] ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

  This is the best summary I could come up with:

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  People tend to display static images on computer monitors more frequently than on TVs—things like icons, taskbars, and browser address bars—making burn-in risk a concern.

  “Industry chatter,” Dough co-founder Konstantinos Karatsevidis told me, showed that burn-in affected “around 5 percent of users” after two years.

  The latest models have improved materials and firmware that make them significantly more resistant to burn-in than they were years ago.

  Roland Wooster, chair of VESA’s Display Performance Metrics Task Group, told me that physical design changes have also helped.

  By counting the time each subpixel is displayed and at what brightness, a “wear level” can be determined for each pixel, using an algorithm to estimate the luminance degradation this can be compensated for.

  The companies that make monitors can implement a range of firmware, software, and hardware techniques to help fight burn-in.

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• LoafyLemon@kbin.social ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

  My 2009 LCD panel still works perfectly and has been repurposed as a dining room TV. While it may not excel in reproducing black levels, it continues to function just as it did when I first purchased it. I am not going to bother with OLED if it means having to replace the screen every 2-3 years.

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