Ford Delays $12 Billion in EV Investments Due To UAW Strike Impact and Slow Consumer Demand

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• Marketsupreme@lemm.ee ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

  Oh no! Pay your workers more maybe?

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  • univers3man@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

    And make the EVs affordable so they can be demanded?

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    • unconfirmedsourcesDOTgov@lemmy.sdf.org ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

      Affordable? Are you in the market for a new Ford vehicle? What does your budget look like?

      If you’re in the US you can get into a Chevy Bolt for like ~$20k after the federal tax incentive, plus any state incentives that would apply in your situation.

      If you’re talking about Ford specifically, they’re not going after the budget market because they’re trying to play to their strengths - the F150 and Mustang. Neither of those brands are typically associated with being cost conscious, but the F150 has been the best selling vehicle in the country for 41 years now. The F150 Lightning is priced comparably to the gas powered option for similar features, and the Mach-E is right in line with the Mustang GT, which makes sense because let’s be honest, nobody buys an ecoboost Mustang expecting to enjoy it.

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  • Pretzilla@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

    Just to put a number on it, the UAW cost increase is around $1000 per vehicle

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    • eguidarelli@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

      Can you provide a source for that?

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    • surewhynotlem@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

      Yeah, that won’t affect the cost. If Ford could increase the price of their vehicles by $1,000 and still sell them, they would be doing that right now. All this will do is eat into their profits.

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    • QuarterSwede@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

      I would have thought it was more honestly. I know what team’s labor is and it’s north of that figure for $10K customer price.

      $1,000 labor is 2% on a $50,000 vehicle. 1.5% on $75,000. Obviously I’m not looking at dealership markup, etc for ease of math. This just gives you an idea of what percentage that is.

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    • surewhynotlem@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

      That sounds wrong. Their factories and parts must be super cheap for labor to make up such as large portion of cost.

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    • Poach@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

      That’s the cost to Ford, or how much they’d raise the price of their vehicles to compensate?

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• sucricdrawkcab@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

  Make actual Electric cars, not a 90k electric pickup, or a “Mustang” EV crossover. The truck I get because the F-150 runs auto sales charts but nobody was, is, buying it. A majority of those crowds are not really EV friendly so why they went all in seems silly.

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  • SARGEx117@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

    I just want an EV that has the basic features like push buttons, heating/cooling, cargo space for my tools and shit which should be easier without the engine… I don’t want much, heck even power windows are even optional here. I’ll take manual.

    But it needs to be priced at “this is a basic model with 90s features”.

    I don’t want 15 touch screens and Bluetooth doors. I don’t want a massive landship rivaling ww1 tanks in size. Ideally I’d want a train to replace the nearby highway, and then I could walk to and from work and wheel my tools on a cart.

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  • shasta@lemm.ee ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

    Yeah a Mustang EV crossover that they had to recall because the engines were shutting off when people floor it, which was also overpriced and not up to feature parity with other similarly-priced EVs. Maybe if they made a good EV or lowered the price consumer demand would suddenly materialize.

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    • sucricdrawkcab@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

      A recall is better than the class action lawsuit going on for the normal Mustang transmission issues.

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  • QuarterSwede@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

    They would have done way better to first sell a PHEV to get people into electric and ease their range anxiety. 100% worked on my wife and now she drives in EV almost exclusively.

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    • Cort@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

      Fwiw, I own a Ford phev and love it. I’m looking at a bolt in the future since they have 10x the electric range.

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  • Wogi@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

    I fucking would if I could buy a 2 door truck. But no, the only electric pickup options are 4 door, maximum size cabs with practically no bed.

    I only want a truck for the bed. If it’s electric it can be a daily driver but I don’t need a back seat. My wife has the little SUV for that.

    But I can’t get that. So instead I’m going to buy an electric sprinter van for half the price.

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    • _stranger_@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

      they’re also twice the price of a regular truck if you want any kind of usable range, which is the worst part. I don’t need a truck that can do a 2.9s quarter mile, I need one that I can drive 200 miles in one direction, park for a week, and then drive home, on a route with no chargers.

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  • guacupado@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

    I really didn’t want to buy anything from Musk but Model 3s are still the best price for performance available.

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    • grayman@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

      Most of the money you pay for that car goes to China. A good bit goes to the workers. A very small amount goes to Elon. I wouldn’t buy one because of the slave mines.

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• Yaztromo@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

  I want an EV.

  I have the money for an EV.

  I put in my order for my EV in early 2022.

  I am still waiting on my EV to be ordered, nevermind manufactured and delivered.

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  • madcaesar@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

    I want an EV.

    I have the money for an EV.

    There is no way I’m paying the current crazy prices for cars.

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    • Cort@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

      Not to mention the current interest rates!

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• RubberElectrons@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

  It’s almost always the second point. When a company is blaming something/someone, it’s almost always the second point in their press releases, the first is there as the top half of their definition of a shit sandwich.

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