Submitted 1 year ago by EpicFailGuy@lemmy.world to fediverse@lemmy.world
https://youtube.com/watch?v=rimtaSgGz_4&si=4REg2e22vrfEUYwl
The real cost of enshittification is that they make it impossible for others to run honest business.
Who will pay a subscription for privacy respecting services when there are a dozen free alternatives. True cost of running online business has been completely hidden from users and for so long that they will never accept those that want to cover the costs upfront.
I’d do it.
That’s the neoliberal secret – you have to play the game, no matter how immoral the rules.
Well, not entirely. We can move out to the wilderness and live off the land with very minimal interaction with civilization. We don’t because iPhones and medicine are too good to give up.
At least in feddit (main German instance) there were a lot of posts offering up financial support, but it was declined because it was not needed.
I think especially the smaller communities wouldn’t have a problem coming with funds for hosting. Donations for lemmy developers have also increased significantly since the main exodus.
I get your scepticism, but I think the lemmy community for the most part wants this thing to “succeed” and is willing to chip in a reasonable amount.
Kind of surprised (and a bit disappointed) you didn’t get more replies saying “I already pay”. Which does admittedly support your point!
p.s. I already pay.
If they are 100% transparent in regard to where the money goes, I’m in. The problem with something like youtube premium is not that it’s unaffordable to the majority of users. It’s that at this point you have to assume that they don’t need the subscription fee to cover their costs, but to shove that money up some CEOs or Shareholders asses. Yeah that’s not gonna happen unless they force me to and even then I’d think twice about if I really need that service.
Depends honestly but there’s a fee I’d be willing to pay to support if there was ongoing development and efforts for things user privacy and responsible moderation.
I used to donate to BBSes, and my BBS ran on donations, so that’s how I’d approach the issue.
A few but nowhere near enough. I do pay a few “optional” subscriptions to support good services but not many
I run my own Lemmy instance, I already pay $23.00 a month just to be here.
We should hear about these costs more often, see emcouragement posts towards donating and stuff. I’ve seen some admins did these.
Who will pay a subscription
Dunno if for other people, but that’s the main issue for me. When you pay a subscription, at least in my mind trained in the 90s and early 00s, plus now with Enshittification, you are not only basically paying rent to a landlord, but you are basically paying a “ransom” – a bet that the service won’t be rug-pulled from under your feet at any moment’s notice.
Instead I’d prefer something like a one-time lifetime payment, like what SDF does, or a long-period subscription eg.: 5-yearly or 10-yearly instead of monthly / yearly. That way, even if it’s going to eventually be Enshittified, you have better reason to trust that you’re going to get some useful lifespan out of it.
The last two words of my username will official disappear by that point. And it’s not like someone other than me is already referring to themself as “Resol” without a suffix anyway.
tl;dw
Cory Doctorow coins the term “enshittification” to describe how platforms start out benefiting users but eventually abuse users and business customers to extract all value.
Facebook started by prioritizing user privacy over ads but now prioritizes profits over all else.
Network effects are a double-edged sword - they lock users in but also make platforms vulnerable if users leave en masse.
Low switching costs due to universality and interoperability allow competitors to reverse engineer platforms and plug in competing services.
Mandatory interoperability and limiting data control can curb platform power by distributing control to users and smaller companies.
Recent antitrust actions aim to roll back decades of lax merger policy that let platforms consolidate power.
Breakups will take a long time so interoperability is a faster way to restore competition.
Laws should limit abusive behavior rather than rely on platforms to self-regulate.
Federated open services fail gracefully and encourage migration to better platforms.
Political will is growing but change will be gradual - focus should be on harm reduction in the near term.
I love that this is on YouTube, which us going full force in enshittifying itself right now.
That’s capitalism - it’ll gladly sell you even its own criticism
‘When it comes time to hang the capitalists, they will vie with each other for the rope contract.’
Capitalist will sell you the rope to hang them with
True but it is unfortunately still the place where people will most likely watch your video.
Thank God you censored the word SHIT so we didn’t all need a group hug meeting .
It’s the original title of the video. I assume the uploaded voluntarily censored it to avoid getting demonetized
What’s that about shit? Fuck, I love me some shit!
let the internet enshit itself, that why we are here, profit focused companies are going to fuck themselfs, it’s just a matter of time
That may have been true in the past, but in the past 30 years I’ve watched a lot of companies that should have outright failed because they were terribly managed get a few dumptruck loads of taxpayer money to keep them afloat.
We’re well past the stage of “if they fuck themselves, let them fail” and deep into “If you’re not going to buy their shit, we’ll just take them money straight out of your paycheck for them”
it’s USA problem them, not a problem on other democratics
Let the normies use enshittified services.
My prediction is that those with know how will make their own web … like back in the days of usenet.
Let the normies use enshittified services.
This is how we end up with prolific disinformation leading to fascism.
We need everyone’s help to stop this. Don’t label with the intent of separation.
I watched the video yesterday and I couldn’t really understand what the plan is. What I got was something like “they corps are too big for the consumers to do anything and laws are very slow to made”.
Did I miss something about the “audacious(?)” plan?
Man, people think they want laws to regulate the internet but seem to forget who owns the lobbyists.
The fediverse will be at risk as soon as they start legislating.
Man, people think they want laws to regulate the internet but seem to forget who owns the lobbyists.
The fediverse will be at risk as soon as they start legislating.
The plan is US basically … decentralization. The federated web
i.e. where it all began
Can we all take a moment to appreciate how stupid that word sounds. I feel like we come up with something better.
It’s perfect. It enshittifies itself. It’s like the shitty rule of capitalist economics in the 21st century.
It we altered the word every so often to get shitier that would be great. Enshiiiiiiitificatiousne$$ is where we’d currently be
It doesn’t necessarily roll off the tongue, but that’s a good thing. It seems to be catching on, and frankly those large companies and orgs that are enshittifying and get labeled thusly might actually not love being called out with it, and hopefully slow their roll.
Doubtful, but a man can dream.
I used to work at S***ify… which is currently enshittifying at top-speed. It fits.
Funny that it could either Shopify or Spotify, you refer to, as both are arguably enshitifying.
So stupid I saw it used a lot of times and I used it myself before I even knew the guy… it conveys the meaning so well
The World Wide Wipe
Not all heroes wear capes.
I sure wouldn’t because at that point I rather pay for my own instance and invite others to join.
So unshittification?
Lets kill off the damned cookie popups. Nobody cares, its literally the most useless 5 seconds of every persons life to have to dismiss and never read what it says
Very interesting talk! Thanks for the share!
hperrin@lemmy.world 1 year ago
Fearing enshittification is one reason I want to keep my company private. If I have to answer to stockholders, then I’m not answering to customers, and that’s shitty.
HootinNHollerin@sh.itjust.works 1 year ago
100%. I never wanna work for public company again. I left a huge one for small private ones then yr ago employer went public. Been so downhill so fast. I’m leaving when I find a private fit.
Sleestak_Chaka@lemm.ee 1 year ago
I’ve always worked for smaller private companies because my partner always got screwed working at bigger corporations.
Corgana@startrek.website 1 year ago
I get it. His most recent post talks about how enshittification isn’t just limited to digital platforms, it’s inevitable whenever monopolies are allowed to form.
hiddengoat@kbin.social 1 year ago
Well good news... you don't have to fucking answer to stockholders. That's a fucking lie perpetrated by Harvard Business sociopaths and their bootlicking bitchboys.
All you have to do is what's in the best interest of the business. If someone doesn't like it they can sell the fucking stock.
Shiggles@sh.itjust.works 1 year ago
“The best interest of the business” is far too lenient in its wording. Some of the shareholder derivative lawsuits out there are fucking wild.
Simple things such as “paying your workers too much”, “acting with too much emphasis on morality over capital gains”, it all does have to come back to shareholder profits, ever since Dodge Vs. Ford.
grue@lemmy.world 1 year ago
It’s the cargo-cult interpretation of Dodge v. Ford Motor Co.
agentsquirrel@sh.itjust.works 1 year ago
Avoid private equity as well. PE is equally shitty.
wewbull@iusearchlinux.fyi 1 year ago
I’ve noted over the past few years, how any company that invests in R&D rather than pays dividends is labelled as “loss making” by the press.