Yup, another Ottoman Empire classic

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• Jankatarch@lemmy.world ⁨17⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

  As a Turk, ironically Ottoman Empire feels more like the British Empire, and Gokturk Khaganate feels more like the Roman Empire.

  Like in terms of ancientness, and how people randomly think about it even tho not thaught about in school.

  (And also how racist nationalists like talking about one with great historical inaccuracy)

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• ale@sh.itjust.works ⁨19⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

  and being a nice decoration

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• Wrufieotnak@feddit.org ⁨1⁩ ⁨day⁩ ago

  I mean that is our western, mostly European perspective on it. Can anybody with knowledge tell how the Ottoman empire is seen in Islamic countries or in other regionslike in India or China?

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  • Rat_in_a_hat@lemmy.ca ⁨1⁩ ⁨day⁩ ago

    Like most things in history, the Ottoman legacy in the Middle East is a very mixed bag.

    If you look at modern Middle Eastern countries, you’ll find people who admire the Ottoman Empire and others who absolutely don’t. A lot depends on which community (Kurds/Syrians/Lebanese - Christian/Muslim (Sunni vs Shia)/Druze/Jewish) and which period you’re talking about.

    The Ottomans built the administrative and legal systems that governed much of the region for centuries. Some people argue that this provided a level of stability and local autonomy that helped different groups coexist under a common framework.

    At the same time, there are plenty of accounts from places like Lebanon and Syria describing repression, unequal treatment, corruption, and crackdowns on dissent. How much of that was official Ottoman policy versus the actions of local governors or specific periods is still debated. That’s a different question from things like the Armenian genocide, which is much more clearly documented as a state-directed policy.

    The Arab nationalist movement is a good example. A lot of early Arab nationalists weren’t necessarily trying to leave the empire—they wanted more representation and autonomy within it. Sometimes the Ottomans accommodated that, and sometimes they cracked down on it. Several countries in the Levant still have Martyrs’ Squares named after Arab activists the Ottomans executed during World War I. It can be argued that this repression and then later European colonialism completely (and purposefully) fragmented the Middle East until today.

    So depending on who you ask, and the story continues to change even today (sometimes to fit a nationalist narrative), the Ottoman period was either a relatively stable imperial system that kept the region together or an empire that suppressed emerging national movements. There’s evidence for both views, but not one side fully.

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    • tetris11@feddit.uk ⁨21⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

      Is it true that many different cultures and religions were permitted under the Ottomans, but the British divide-and-rule started to empower these groups too much, causing the Ottomans to crack down hard on them?

      i.e. Was it Britain’s fault?

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    • Wrufieotnak@feddit.org ⁨22⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

      Thank you for the answer, something like that is what I imagined to be!

      So it is the dreaded “it depends”.

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  • realitaetsverlust@piefed.zip ⁨1⁩ ⁨day⁩ ago

    No, that’s the objective truth.

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