Blocked instances question

Submitted ⁨⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago⁩ by ⁨fr0g@infosec.pub⁩ to ⁨infosecpub@infosec.pub⁩

Hey, I just did a quick browse through the blocked instances list for infosec.pub and have a few questions about it. Seems like we are blocking sh.itjust.works which in first glance just like one of the bigger general purpose instances. Meanwhile more overtly problematic instances like lemmygrad (tankie instance) or exploding heads (“free speech extremists”) are federated with. Geerally the block list seems fairly small compared to a lot of other instances.

So are these intentional choices or is it more a matter of the admins not (having the time to be) bothering with it? If it’s not intentional, maybe checking some other instances blocklists to weed out the biggest trolls/offenders could be useful.

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awwwyissss@lemm.ee ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago
Blocking shitjustworks but federating with the loud extremists? Yikes

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- jerry@infosec.pub ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago
  What site is the “loud extremists”?
  
  I block instances that are the source of issues - shitjustworks caused a river of complaints - I don’t think I’ve seen any from the others.
  
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  - awwwyissss@lemm.ee ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago
    Hexbear, Lemmygrad, and Exploding Heads. Hexbear is far left… or at least pretending to be. They’re damaging to leftist causes. Lemmygrad is actually far left. Exposing Heads is far right.
    
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jonne@infosec.pub ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago
You can block problematic users/instances yourself if they bother you. I just blocked all of exploding-heads and haven’t seen any of their shit since.

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- CoderKat@lemm.ee ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago
  IMO it’s not a good solution to just say “just block the bigots”. The problem is that for new users, they are going to see those bigoted posts. They’re going to either think that’s what kind of site Lemmy is and potentially leave, or they’ll potentially get pulled in by the bigots. Both are bad situations.
  
  Especially for blatant bigotry, it makes perfect sense to take measures to ensure that the site is safe for everyone by default, without every individual person having to take action (especially those without accounts or not signed in).
  
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  - melmc@freeatlantis.com ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago
    @CoderKat
    I guess you define “safe” as “never being exposed to an opinion that offends you”. Good luck with that standard. It seems entirely subjective.
    cc: @jonne @fr0g
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  - mwguy@infosec.pub ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago
    So lemmy needs a “soft” block. A system that moderates it out of the default streams, but allows an individual user to still add communities they want to see in their subscriptions.
    
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- fr0g@infosec.pub ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago
  Only if you use the right apps. Lemmy itself doesn’t have any instance blocking yet.
  
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Black_Gulaman@lemmy.dbzer0.com ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago
Get out while you still can.

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jerry@infosec.pub ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago
I block them as they come up as problematic. There isn’t a handy list of instances to block like in mastodon. I will block those others.

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stilgar@infosec.pub ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago
The admins defedded from SJW because of the quantity of CP and other objectionable material coming from there. It was a matter of their modding workload, not anything to do with politics.

The line in this instance is to not use defederation as a political tool, and that is IMO correct. At least that’s one of the main reasons I chose this instance.

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- fr0g@infosec.pub ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago
  
  The line in this instance is to not use defederation as a political tool, and that is IMO correct
  
  That doesn’t really mean anything imo. Not defederating is just as much a political decision as defederating is. There’s no way around taking some sort of stance, intentional or not.
  
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  - stilgar@infosec.pub ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago
    Of course it means something.
    
    Yes, it is a political decision in the sense that politics pervades all human activities and decisions.
    
    But it is obviously a different choice to that of many instances, where they actively use defederation as a tool to shield their users from any political opinions outside the mainstream.
    
    The admins here have chosen not to use defederation as a tool in this way and I applaud them for it.
    
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forcequit@hexbear.net ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago
:)

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Ubermeisters@lemmy.zip ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago
Oof that’s not a good look

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LostDeer@infosec.pub ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago
Exploadingheads is full of chuds and SJW is too.

I will say it’s nice that this instance isn’t drawing lines along political leanings so I can just block the ones I don’t like to see. I’m not sure what the admins are doing otherwise.

I’m sure the users here will start bubbling up as having more of an appetite for one side or the other and other instances will start defeding from infosec.pub.

Honestly there is so much drama related to federating or defederating that’s it’s killing my interest in Lemmy in general.

In anycase, is anyone running into trouble with lemmygrad or exploading heads being federated? I’ve been reading that folks at hexbear are getting harassed by other Lemmy instances and there are discussions of them going full defederated as a result. I don’t like the views on exploadingheads but so far I just block and move on, so no harm done.

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- Snowpix@lemmy.ca ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago
  Hexbear isn’t getting harassed. They’ve been going on other instances to brigade, attack and harass other people, and are now whining and moaning because they’re being shown the door after people got fed up with their behaviour. They’re being defederated everywhere for good reason.
  
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- melmc@freeatlantis.com ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago
  @LostDeer
  Fyi exploding-heads shut down near the end of last month. The principals did not think it was worth the bother, given the evident general proclivity toward leftist censorship in Lemmy.
  cc: @fr0g
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alex_02@infosec.pub ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago
shitjustworks was spamming some stuff so it was blocked till further notice. Not sure about lemmygrad and exploding heads, but I also never heard of either nor do I care. If I see bigotry and bs I just block and move on. So far I haven’t had to deal with trolls on my page and I don’t see the point of the admins blocking whatever unless they’re causing real issues like shitjustworks did.

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balls_expert@lemmy.blahaj.zone ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago
The blocklist is what you expected on your instance on blahaj

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