LibreOffice criticizes EU Commission over proprietary XLSX formats

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• MonkderVierte@lemmy.zip ⁨1⁩ ⁨month⁩ ago

  which complicates compatibility with open-source software such as LibreOffice.

  Or any competitor. Which is why this “standard” should be declared anticompetitive.

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• Beep@lemmus.org ⁨1⁩ ⁨month⁩ ago

  The actual article.

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• CactusEcho@piefed.social ⁨1⁩ ⁨month⁩ ago

  I fully support this. This is a very easy to implement. 99% of the documents don’t require specific msoffice undocumented features

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  • Lifter@discuss.tchncs.de ⁨1⁩ ⁨month⁩ ago

    Yes, it would probably force microsoft to adhere to the specs if their files didn’t work more users.

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    • pyre@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨month⁩ ago

      or you know you could require them to comply

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• grue@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨month⁩ ago

  “OOXML” is literally just an XML serialization of MS Office internal data structures that Microsoft bribed the standards body to push through.

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  • b_tr3e@feddit.org ⁨1⁩ ⁨month⁩ ago

    “bribed” is a gross simplifiction of the almost hilariously evil plot they pulled to get OOXML certified. They actually bribed a couple of smaller nation states to become IETF members and vote for Microsoft’s standard. It was a major scandal back in the day but formally legal.

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    • Exatron@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨month⁩ ago

      I remember that plot also gumming up IETF business because the bribed nations just stopped participating after voting for Microsoft.

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    • Theoriginalthon@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨month⁩ ago

      I remember, only trouble is a lot of people at the time didn’t care or were paid loads of money to not care.

      Also the name Office Open XML right at the time OpenOffice was the only one about before oracle came in and fucked it over

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    • utopiah@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨month⁩ ago

      It’s like noticing a car crash and looking back… you know you shouldn’t and yet it’s somehow mesmerizing. So… where can I actually read about this please?

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  • MisterD@lemmy.ca ⁨1⁩ ⁨month⁩ ago

    FYI: it wasn’t a bribe. It was a temporary takeover of the standards body. They paid for memberships of a bunch of new people on the board for the critical vote.

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    • floquant@lemmy.dbzer0.com ⁨1⁩ ⁨month⁩ ago

      So, a bribe with the proper bureaucratic steps?

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    • b_tr3e@feddit.org ⁨1⁩ ⁨month⁩ ago

      …and bribed the represenatives of the “new” IETF members as well as their governments to vote for Microsoft’s standard. The latter was, of course, a matter strictly between “business partners” and probably barred behind NDAs, so “legal” as long as nobody would blow the wistle.

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• twinnie@feddit.uk ⁨1⁩ ⁨month⁩ ago

  I kinda get it though. I think every single time in my life I’ve sent a document in the non-Microsoft format I’ve got a reply saying they couldn’t open it. That’s from LibreOffice and from Mac.

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  • Sv443@sh.itjust.works ⁨1⁩ ⁨month⁩ ago

    Trying to get tech illiterate people to use LibreOffice and to export their documents as PDF but they just keep sending the original files every single time… nightmare material

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    • Tetsuo@jlai.lu ⁨1⁩ ⁨month⁩ ago

      “Don’t use that proprietary format ! Use PDF instead !”

      PDF is also an issue.

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    • wonderingwanderer@sopuli.xyz ⁨1⁩ ⁨month⁩ ago

      In college my professor wouldn’t accept pdfs for assignments because it guess he couldn’t check the metadata or make comments or something.

      So I literally had to download MS office just to submit assignments in their format…

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  • cley_faye@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨month⁩ ago

    And everytime I get a document in a Microsoft format I send a reply asking if this or that is supposed to look that way or be that value. Yet it’s the open format and tools that’s an issue somehow.

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    • mp3@lemmy.ca ⁨1⁩ ⁨month⁩ ago

      One thing I do like from LibreOffice is the ability to save to PDF but also embed the original document inside it.

      That way almost anyone can see it as intended, and the original is still there for editing.

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    • Wispy2891@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨month⁩ ago

      That is supposed to be even with Microsoft office, because it changes the fonts without warning and adjusts the margins according to the default printer. It’s not a format designed to be shared with other people

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  • grue@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨month⁩ ago

    Either the person is lying, because MS Office claims compatibility with OpenDocument files, or it isn’t actually compatible and Microsoft itself is lying.

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• jdr@lemmy.ml ⁨1⁩ ⁨month⁩ ago

  Give me CSV or give me death

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  • Quill7513@slrpnk.net ⁨1⁩ ⁨month⁩ ago

    i will also accept LibreOffice’s format for formula purposes

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  • ranzispa@mander.xyz ⁨1⁩ ⁨month⁩ ago

    CSV does not allow storing formulas, just results. It is a good format to share data, but it is not a good format to store spreadsheets which very often contain such formulas.

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    • jdr@lemmy.ml ⁨1⁩ ⁨month⁩ ago

      Formulas are just strings, no reason you couldn’t store over in a CSV.

      Maybe your software doesn’t want you to do that, but that’s a problem with that specific software.

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    • raspberriesareyummy@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨month⁩ ago

      you can store anything in CSV, it’s just not always very practical ;)

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  • testaccount372920@piefed.zip ⁨1⁩ ⁨month⁩ ago

    csv is a pretty good data sharing format, but not very well suited for spreadsheets. Just because you can shove anything you want in there doesn’t mean you should.

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    • jdr@lemmy.ml ⁨1⁩ ⁨month⁩ ago

      I think it’s perfectly well suited to spreadsheet. It’s more-or-less perfect for tabular human-readable data. If you want to embed fancy things like OLE objecta and ActiveX controls and helpful animated characters then you may well be better served with another format.

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  • flying_sheep@lemmy.ml ⁨1⁩ ⁨month⁩ ago

    Death it is, CSV is horrible effectively unstandardized trash that has led to uncountable hours of efforts wasted due to subtly corrupted data through incompatible serialization settings.

    It actively makes the world a worse place by existing.

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    • jdr@lemmy.ml ⁨1⁩ ⁨month⁩ ago

      No, you

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