At this point any org or system gathering information on cis-people might be feeding into Palantir’s systems for repression use.
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avidamoeba@lemmy.ca 11 hours ago
craftrabbit@lemmy.zip 10 hours ago
Is Palantir a US government mass surveillance thing? If so, then congrats to whoever named the thing Palantir…
fossilesque@mander.xyz 10 hours ago
It’s Peter Theil. Where have you been?
avidamoeba@lemmy.ca 9 hours ago
Private US corp. Used by various gov’ts around the world, the US included. It’s how gov’ts can both “not spy on their citizens” while end up having the ability to do so and use the info - by buying it from a private corpo.
KyuubiNoKitsune@lemmy.blahaj.zone 10 hours ago
Not just US, most governments, even the Swedish police.
Venat0r@lemmy.world 7 hours ago
TIL the company is very aptly named:
The stones were an unreliable guide to action, since what was not shown could be more important than what was selectively presented
leftascenter@jlai.lu 9 hours ago
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Palantir_Technologies
Palantir Technologies Inc. is an American publicly traded company that develops data integration and analytics platforms enabling government agencies, militaries, and corporations to combine and analyze data from multiple sources. Its flagship products—Gotham (for intelligence and defense) and Foundry (for commercial and civil use)—connect previously siloed databases to support intelligence operations, counterterrorism analysis, law enforcement, and enterprise analytics.
daannii@lemmy.world 6 hours ago
So I don’t know Littman and Bailey are controversial. Not unethical. (Fyi Lisa Littman is herself a trans woman).
They do research on a specific sub group of trans women.
Bailey has done lots of other research on sexuality in the homosexual and bisexual area as well.
Bailey and Littmans findings make the trans community angry because the research supports that for some trans females, (not all but some) they transition due to a sexual kink. That they can only be sexually excited by being a woman.
He never said it’s true for all female trans people.
But his evidence is real.
And it’s not really surprising because there are people who cut off body parts because of sexual kinks. There are people out there who get fixated on things and are obsessed. Sexual fixation is an incredibly strong motivator.
Many in the trans community don’t like this research because it paints a picture that they are all just a bunch of perverts. Which is something that they already have to fight against. So many see it as smearing trans people or encouraging stereotypes.
And. Of course conservatives will absolutely use these types of studies to support their opinions on trans people. Weaponize it against them.
But I want to point out some things.
- Unpleasant truths don’t make them false.
- The concern of these types of studies being used as weapons is valid. But. Conservatives will use anything to validate their opinions. Regardless if it does or doesn’t. (Scientist still have a responsibility to report their research in a way to deter it being used to harm groups).
Baily says in every single one of the papers he is in, that the most effective way to treat gender dysphoria is to help the person transition to their preferred gender. He says this many times. He says it publicly. He advocates for it.
His intention is not to harm trans people but to understand them. Does he go about it in the most sensitive way. No. But intention does count.
Now bailey was also known for doing research on bisexual men. His controversial study found that self reported bisexual men actually showed a preference for men and weren’t pure bisexual. His conclusion was that bisexuality in men was likely just homosexuality. This was met with a lot of backlash. He met with people, heard concerns. And re evaluated his study methods and has since done additional studies and showed his original was flawed. (Mostly caused by the fact that men that are bisexual but prefer women more, are more likely to be closeted bisexuals).
Now I have personally met the guy. He taught statistics. I also attended a seminar on his work.
I never took his sexually courses. But I had heard of his work before attending the uni he was at.
I’ve actually read the papers.
I think most people who don’t like him, have not. Or they are mis understanding statements.
He never makes negative statements about trans. And the last paper I read, was by one of his grad students who was herself, a trans woman.
Transvestite culture has been around for a very long time. Trying to pretend it’s not real because you don’t like the narrative is not the way forward.
Do I like bailys personality? Not particularly. I think he’s one of those people who like to challenge things , sometimes just to see other people squirm. A bit pretentious . But I can’t deny his research has merit to it. That’s why it keeps getting published. The methodology and statistics are sound science.
As a last point. I don’t care if the reason that people want to transition is because it’s a sex thing. To me that does not change anything. Adults have a right to full autonomy over their own body. They are the only ones who get to decide such things like their gender.
I also couldn’t care less what weird kinks other people have. As long as it’s consenting adults, it’s none of my business.
That says, I realize though that my easy acceptance of people transitioning for whatever reason won’t be shared by the general public.
But I still say though that the people who will have a problem with it, currently have a problem with transitioning, even if the narrative is “I was born in the wrong body”.
Even that won’t satisfy them as a good enough reason.
So no point in pandering to them.
volvoxvsmarla@sopuli.xyz 6 hours ago
Thank you for taking the time to write this
Vanth@reddthat.com 13 hours ago
At a minimum, someone with really bad judgement, who cares more about making headlines than doing high-quality research, and who shouldn’t be trusted to treat the subjects of this study with respect.
Bailey was the Northwestern professor who had a live demo of a reciprocating sex toy, put on by a volunteer and her partner. It was optional to attend the demo, students were over 18 and allegedly informed on what they were going to see.
He’s also been repeatedly called out for not properly informing participants in his studies. One accusation of sleeping with one of his research subjects. And toed the ethics line on writing evaluation letters for candidates of sex assignment surgery when he didn’t hold a license.
His wikipedia article links to sources.
lmmarsano@lemmynsfw.com 5 hours ago
Bailey was the Northwestern professor who had a live demo of a reciprocating sex toy, put on by a volunteer and her partner. It was optional to attend the demo, students were over 18 and allegedly informed on what they were going to see.
How is this a problem? Do we live in a free society or not?
Can we raise the standard of criticism in a community dedicated to science to scientific integrity & facts rather than throwing mud? These objections look like the latter & that wikipedia article isn’t panning out your claims.
A transgender woman whom he described in the book filed a complaint with Northwestern University alleging that her many discussions with Bailey about his view of trans women and the book he was writing made her a non-consensual subject of IRB-regulated research by Bailey, and that during this time, she had consensual sex with him. Northwestern found no basis for the complaint.
Pretty frivolous, no, to claim a book qualifies as IRB-regulated research & to self-anoint oneself as subject of it? Worse to present the accusation as credible by filtering out all the relevant information. More omissions:
Alice Dreger, a bioethicist, published an account of the controversy in the Archives of Sexual Behavior. According to Dreger, the allegations of misconduct could accurately be described as “harassment”, and an “anti-Bailey campaign”. Dreger wrote that of the four women who complained to Northwestern, two acknowledged that they were aware they would be included in Bailey’s book in their letter to the university. The other two were not described in the book. Dreger also reported that while there was no definitive evidence to refute the allegation of sexual misconduct, datestamps on e-mails between Bailey and his ex-wife indicated that he was at her home looking after their two children at the time the misconduct was said to have occurred.
Regarding case evaluation letters
however, the department did not pursue those allegations, as he did not accept remuneration for the services and therefore did not violate the law.
Ironically, those accusations seem to mirror what you’re doing:
The book generated considerable controversy. A paper on the controversy was written by Alice Dreger, a bioethicist and historian, known for her support of intersex rights. Dreger included additional details in Galileo’s Middle Finger, an analysis of modern clashes between scientists and activists whose beliefs are challenged by them. In her documented account of the Bailey case, she concluded that a small group of self-styled activists tried to bury a politically challenging scientific theory by attacking Bailey: “These critics, rather than restrict themselves to the argument over the ideas, had charged Bailey with a whole host of serious crimes,” but that “what they claimed about Bailey simply wasn’t true.”
Misleading, antagonistic rhetoric of this sort is antithetical to the expectations of a community that purports to support science & is worthy of the strongest contempt. Not linking to the article doesn’t seem accidental. By attempting to mislead us, you’ve also wasted our time. You & your upvoters are an utter disappointment: we should expect a focus on science, not on throwing mud.
BodyBySisyphus@hexbear.net 8 hours ago
DomeGuy@lemmy.world 9 hours ago
The first smell test for any survey is how would they possibly control for the non-response rate?
Putting out a billboard to ask something like “what’s kind of makeup should a cracked egg try first” will get a bunch of recommendations and advertisment copy. But it wouldn’t tell you much about how many males wearing makeup are trans, enby, drag, or just wearing a costume. And noting at all about how many trans girls even try makeup at all.
“Tell me your responses about how much HRT sucks” would, similarly, get you a dataset that’s highly distorted.
lmmarsano@lemmynsfw.com 6 hours ago
Link to source: by lacking accessibility, this image of text sustains a pattern of systemic discriminatory exclusion.
Images of text break much that text alternatives do not. Losses due to image of text lacking alternative such as link: - usability - we can’t quote the text without pointless bullshit like retyping it or OCR - text search is unavailable - the system can’t - reflow text to varied screen sizes - vary presentation (size, contrast) - vary modality (audio, braille) - accessibility - lacks semantic structure (tags for titles, heading levels, sections, paragraphs, lists, emphasis, code, links, accessibility features, etc) - some users can’t read the image due to lack of alt text (markdown image description) - users can’t adapt the text for dyslexia or vision impairments - systems can’t read the text to them or send it to braille devices - web connectivity - we have to do failure-prone bullshit to find the original source - we can’t explore wider context of the original message - authenticity: we don’t know the image hasn’t been tampered - searchability: the “text” isn’t indexable by search engine in a meaningful way - fault tolerance: no text fallback if - image breaks - image host is geoblocked due to insane regulations. Contrary to age & humble appearance, text is an advanced technology that provides all these capabilities absent from images.
FundMECFS@anarchist.nexus 9 hours ago
Yeah confirmed by the fact they call it “gender dysphoria” .
Transform2942@lemmy.ml 9 hours ago
Wait, I read about dysphoria 10 times a day on the fedi, how is it a TERF dog whistle?
flora_explora@beehaw.org 6 hours ago
It is a valid term used by trans people to describe their own feelings (see the gender dysphoria bible for example) The other person must have gotten something mixed up…
restless@hexbear.net 7 hours ago
It’s subtle, but when gender dysphoria is framed as a condition to be “cured” and processed through conversion therapy (to return the person “back to normal”), instead of symptoms which are best treated through gender affirmation and transition.
flora_explora@beehaw.org 6 hours ago
I feel like something similar has been going on a few years ago as well (or maybe it’s an old post?)
birdwing@lemmy.blahaj.zone 14 hours ago
Checked Alejandra Caraballo, she is apparently a civil rights attorney and pro-queer.
Dojan@pawb.social 13 hours ago
Littman’s the one who went to a terf-parent forum, and polled the people there about whether or not they thought that their kids “becoming” trans was a sudden thing or not, right?
Because obviously rapid onset gender dysphoria makes more sense than people not sharing their experiences with their hateful parents.
birdwing@lemmy.blahaj.zone 13 hours ago
Yep, that’s correct.
Ironically I myself might fall under the group she allegedly thinks exists. But a critical part she (probably intentionally) misses, is that I didn’t “turn” trans because of online communities. People don’t “turn” trans, but explore their identities and figure it out, it’s a long process.
Before exposure to more queer stuff, I already knew I didn’t like having body hair, and longed for having a womb, and so on… but I didn’t have a “name” for those together. I only knew I felt meh in my body and didn’t really feel ‘at home’.
To take a parallel. Just because formal English doesn’t distinguish “thou” and “you” anymore*****, it doesn’t mean that English speakers don’t understand the concept of multiple people.
Or like how Hungarian, Chinese, and Estonian do not distinguish gendered pronouns, instead having a neutral one. That doesn’t mean those people don’t know what a man, woman, or enby is.
And to hit the nail in the coffin even more. If a language like Russian distinguishes ‘blue’ and ‘breen’ (blue-green) as standalone colours in their own right, does that mean they can distinguish them and anglophones can’t?
No. People are familiar with them. It’s just that not all know the concept yet, and so it’s time for a nice xkcd (explanation included for the lazy).
I don’t care if I’ve ranted too much, get a nice cookie here and enjoy. 🍪