What's a good entry level printer these days?

Submitted ⁨⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago⁩ by ⁨punkfungus@sh.itjust.works⁩ to ⁨3dprinting@lemmy.world⁩

Back in 2018 I bought an Ender 3 and over the years after a lot of tinkering and upgrading I got really sick of having to work on it, so I shelved it permanently a few years ago. I didn’t have very much I wanted to print by then anyway, and another print failure that resulted in a giant ball of plastic covering the hotend for the umpteenth time tipped me over the edge. I could only disassemble it for service so many times before I started wanting to give it the Office Space treatment.

But now I would like to start printing again, only this time I want to actually just print things and not feel like an unpaid 3D printer mechanic. I don’t need anything fancy, I’m still only going to print ~95% PLA with the occasional PETG or ASA maybe. Really all I want is the equivalent of an Ender 3 only reliable, quiet, and with auto bed levelling (also having an actually flat bed to start with would be nice). Any kind of mandatory (or pseudo-mandatory via arbitrary feature-lock) cloud connectivity is a hard no from me. I will use Octoprint to manage it.

Are there any cheap printers that fill that role these days? I’m well and truly OOTL

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neinhorn@lemmy.ca ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago
If don’t care about open source or that you’re locked into a vendor specific slicer. The A-series from Bambu labs is a very good turn key printer.

If you care about the specifics of open source or how your print gets sent to the printer, then I suggest looking somewhere else.

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- punkfungus@sh.itjust.works ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago
  Of course that’s a thing now. Yeah I would very much not like to be locked into a vendor ecosystem.
  
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  - CIA_chatbot@lemmy.world ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago
    us.elegoo.com/products/centauri-carbon?variant=gi…
    
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- daannii@lemmy.world ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago
  Started with ender 3 v3. Constant tinkering
  
  Got a bambu A1 year later. Won’t go back to anything creality makes ever.
  
  A1 just works.
  
  Replacement parts are similar prices as generic parts for the ender.
  
  So I don’t care if it’s all proprietary. It all works. And you don’t need to deconstruct it to get it to work.
  
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- aloofPenguin@piefed.world ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago
  I’d also recommend the A series (I got recommended the A1 from a friend when I was starting out), and it’s been pretty great so far. As for the slicers, I know you can use OrcaSlicer with Bambu printers (as well as with a ton of others too)
  
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cecilkorik@piefed.ca ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago
“Cheap?” Depends on your definition, but go for Prusa. Open specs, open ecosystem, open software, open upgrades. Tinkering is still completely possible (in some ways even easier) but unlike Ender 3 it is never actually *necessary*. The damn things just *work*, all the time, every time. They’re workhorses. Best of both worlds, in my opinion.

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- luftruessel@feddit.org ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago
  With the intention of getting into 3D printing myself, I spend quite some time researching printers. Prusa really checks many of my requirements and I love their approach. But the printers really seem a lot more pricey in comparison to what the competition has to offer. I get where that comes from and I’m likely to get a Prusa in the end just because of principles.
  
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nesc@lemmy.cafe ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago
Centauri Carbon is the best right now. Bambulab a1 actually has soft cloud requirement (at least in my experiencev they stop printing in offline/lan mode once in a while until you allow it to phone home for a bit), also it’s just worse and has more limitations due to it being bed slinger.

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sillyhatsonly@lemmy.blahaj.zone ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago
I recently sold my Ender 3v2 to buy a Qidi Q1 Pro and I’m very pleased with my purchase.

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- franzfurdinand@lemmy.world ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago
  My X Max 3 kicks ass. My Ender 3 v3 SE was awful.
  
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  - ExcessShiv@lemmy.dbzer0.com ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago
    I would recommend stripping qidi’s shitty dirty klipper implementation out of the xmax 3 and throw freedi on it instead. The display layout is way better, but most importantly you get pure klipper with all the benefits of the latest additions and customizability from the community.
    
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- Estebiu@lemmy.dbzer0.com ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago
  Just looked that printer up and wow, seems amazing value for the money.
  
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dion_starfire@sh.itjust.works ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago
If you want to print in ASA, you’re going to want an enclosed model. I recently bought a Qidi Q2 after going through the same frustration with my old Ender 3. My main selling points on it were that it was capable of handling stuff like ABS and ASA, and most importantly, gave me full control of the device. Unlike Bambu, I have the root password to the controller board (which runs Klipper), and the (admittedly mediocre) AI spaghetti detection runs fully locally. It also has a carbon filter built in, which is a must if you intend to put the printer anywhere indoors and print in something other than PLA or PETG.

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KaRunChiy@fedia.io ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago
My local library got Bambu Lab A1's and those have been stupid reliable.

I also chose an ender 3 as a starter, not because it was cheap, but because i like messing with things, definitely not a printer for someone who just wants it to work all the time.

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- nesc@lemmy.cafe ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago
  They were reliable now they started to make them cheaper and reliability suffered, also completely closed ecosystem isn’t helping.
  
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sychthys@lemmy.world ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago
After Elegoo provided the single worst customer service experience I’ve ever had, I strongly recommended anyone but them. To replace the Neptune that we had so many issues and lack of support with, we picked up an Anycubic Kobra S1 that’s been great. Would recommend for the price. Enclosed CoreXY, so it prints ASA and PETG very well without needing extra enclosures.

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punkfungus@sh.itjust.works ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago
Thanks for the advice everyone. I’ve been researching the suggested printers, though options are somewhat limited in my area and pricing varies to US retail. I’d hoped the Ender 3 price tier had approached a more turn-key experience by now, but it seems pretty hit or miss with the Ender 3 V3 SE as far as I could tell. It looks like out of what’s available the Qidi Q1 Pro gets me what I want and is the best bang for buck in local pricing.

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Interstellar_1@lemmy.blahaj.zone ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago
I would recommend the creality sparkx i7. It’s a clone of the a1 but it makes some small improvements in every angle where a benchmark can be made, plus it’s not locked down.

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Strayce@lemmy.sdf.org ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago
Recently upgraded to an Elegoo Neptune 4 Plus, although I wouldn’t exactlcall that ‘cheap’. No complaints so far, but I did replace the firmware with OpenNep4tune straight away so I can’t speak to the bone stock, out-of-box experience.

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synapse1278@lemmy.world ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago
Are you open to buying second hand ? Maybe try to find a Prusa i3 MK3 in good conditions on the market. Mine has been super reliable for many years (excluding the MMU 💩). Not the fastest nor most feature rich printer by today’s standards, but a damn reliable one.

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- bestboyfriendintheworld@sh.itjust.works ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago
  MK3S is noticeably better, I’d say.
  
  Buying second hand usually means more tinkering and repairs, which can be a hassle.
  
  Other than that Prusa makes good stuff.
  
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ikidd@lemmy.world ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago
It’s wild to me after building my own printers for 15+ years that people complain about Enders. Compared to my DIY printers, getting an Ender was like taking a holiday.

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- punkfungus@sh.itjust.works ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago
  The Ender was good when it worked, which it did really well for a year or two after I spent a lot of time and energy getting it sorted. But then things started to go downhill. In the hot end I had the heater cartridge, thermistor and cooling fan all fail separately but fairly close together. I had Z screw runout issues and had to replace the brass nut. The extruder housing cracked and had to be replaced with an aluminum one. Limit switches failed. V rollers failed. It suddenly developed adhesion issues with the glass bed and glue stick I’d been doing for years. Scuffing up the bed didn’t work, replacing it with a new glass bed didn’t work, scuffing the new glass bed didn’t work. I switched to a magnetic PEI bed, that worked but it conforms to the horrific banana shape of the Ender’s factory bed and I can only print on a single quadrant of it at a time because of the massive dips in between the screws.
  
  This is just the stuff I remember from years ago. I enjoyed tinkering and upgrading the Ender in the early days but I’m older now and have other stresses on my time. I just want something that works.
  
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