Anthony Albanese must show the same determination as John Howard following the Port Arthur massacre

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• freedickpics@lemmy.ml ⁨1⁩ ⁨day⁩ ago

  Yes all we need is a kneejerk reaction while the public is reeling from a tragedy

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• fizzle@quokk.au ⁨2⁩ ⁨days⁩ ago

  One failure in the 1996 National Firearms Agreement was that it allowed membership of a target shooting gun club to be a valid reason for obtaining a gun licence. This was a serious mistake. Gun clubs were immediately flooded with applications for new members, and the membership fees have helped to support shooters’ parties in state parliaments and to fund gun lobby groups who have a vested interest in weakening gun laws and promoting the sales of more guns and ammunition.

  I dont really think this is a fair assessment.

  Yes its a concession that allowed some people to have some weapons, but in exchange they had to be connected to a club.

  Its easy to forget that at the time, while these laws had a lot of support, there was still a very strong opposition. A significant portion of the population felt the way Americans would - that their rights were being taken away and that it was authoritarian over reach.

  Maybe things have changed now, and maybe its time to dial up regulation of gun clubs, but in 1996 the govt of the time did what they could with that legislation.

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  • Mountaineer@aussie.zone ⁨2⁩ ⁨days⁩ ago

    I dont really think this is a fair assessment.

    Rowland Browne is a well established anti-gun nut, who other pro gun control individuals feely uncomfortable associating with.

    This organisation that he’s Vice Chairman of? www.guncontrolaustralia.org ? You could fit their active members in a Kia Carnival.

    What they do have is a website and a fax machine, and they REGULARLY spam all the media outlets with “press releases”, which those media outlets publish on a slow day.

    According to Mr Browne, anyone who wants a gun for any reason is guilty of wrong-think.
    “How dare thousands of wrong-thinkers band together to stop righness!”

    We’re past the point of diminishing returns on gun control in Australia, but Mr Browne won’t be happy until there isn’t a single gun, nor the means to make them, and children aren’t playing “cops and robbers” with bent sticks.

    I’m a bit surprised we haven’t heard from Phillip Alpers yet.

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  • Tenderizer@aussie.zone ⁨1⁩ ⁨day⁩ ago

    Yeah, you’re right.

    I think today what needs to change is that only gun clubs themselves should be able to own guns, not members of gun clubs.

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  • Dimand@aussie.zone ⁨2⁩ ⁨days⁩ ago

    There is some truth to this though the author is leaning pretty heavily one way.

    To be a member of a sporting club I need to be a paid SSAA (Sports Shooting Association Australia) member. And the SSAA lobbies for changes in gun restrictions that I fundamentally disagree with.

    This is one of the main reasons I quit my membership and went rec hunting only when I renewed my license.

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• ryannathans@aussie.zone ⁨2⁩ ⁨days⁩ ago

  Can’t tell if the government is entirely missing the big picture or they are acting like this on purpose

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• Dimand@aussie.zone ⁨2⁩ ⁨days⁩ ago

  I would like to see some reform from this.

  I would very much like to see the national electronic register implanted fast and effectively along with nationally consistent laws. The current paper form system here in the ACT feels very outdated and I’m sure that the information transfer is slow and difficult.

  I would also like to see them change straight pull action rifles and shotguns to class C. I think there is a good argument for Adler style lever action shotguns to be class C as well. I feel like the legislation has not kept up here and the fire rate of these guns is a bit too high.

  I’m not against the citizen only limitation (noting it won’t affect me) but I’m not sure if excluding permanent residents will have any significant impact.

  In terms of number limits, I am also unsure if this will have any significant influence. To me, even 1 gun is enough to be very dangerous. You can’t really shoot more than one at a time. It’s not like explosives where the total amount directly correlates to more dangerous. I would feel bad if I inherited my great great grandfather’s still functional shotgun and had to destroy a 120 year old antique because I already had 2 other guns.

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  • Zagorath@aussie.zone ⁨1⁩ ⁨day⁩ ago

    I would also like to see them change straight pull action rifles and shotguns to class C

    I heard some talk of moving away from the class-based system entirely, to a more case-by-case system.

    I’m not against the citizen only limitation

    Personally, as someone else unaffected (as both a citizen and someone not interested in owning a fun anyway), I am. I don’t like the idea of permanent residents being treated as second-class citizens.

    In terms of number limits, I am also unsure if this will have any significant influence

    I have no idea if this is true, but I heard that after Ahmed al Ahmed disarmed him, one of the shooters ran off and got another gun. Gun limits would certainly prevent that scenario.

    And also various other scenarios, like one person owning enough guns to help arm others who do not/cannot own their own. Or using multiple guns because it’s quicker to switch than to reload.

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    • Dimand@aussie.zone ⁨1⁩ ⁨day⁩ ago

      It is true that after he was disarmed he went and got another gun. The gun number argument feels like an ineffective bandaid though.

      Is the collector with 20+ break action shotguns that are all over 60 years old and enjoys showing them off at the trap range is a worry, almost certainly not.

      What about some random guy with two very similar straight pull shotguns that can easily be modified to a higher capacity mag. And who just put in an application for their 3rd and 4th very similar guns (within say a hypothetical 4 gun limit).

      I would hope that the second person gets a much closer look over than the first. This is where an electronic national register and the resources to have closer individual scrutiny would be far more effective.

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    • Tenderizer@aussie.zone ⁨1⁩ ⁨day⁩ ago

      The optics are bad of restricting gun ownership to citizens, but guns ought not be something people are entitled to like they are in America. It’s common sense that to use a gun within Australia someone should be a citizen of Australia. A non-citizen can always buy a bunch of guns, sell them, then hop the border to their home country.

      In short, there should be the absolute maximum restrictions on guns. Every lever possible should be pulled.

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    • Zozano@aussie.zone ⁨1⁩ ⁨day⁩ ago

      I think everyone should own a fun

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