We all know that nearly all of us will be ping’d for verification. That’ll let em get our ID and add another data point. I say they’re throthing at the upcoming data rush.
Australia’s under-16s social media ban is weeks away. How will it work – and how can I appeal if I’m wrongly banned?
Submitted 3 weeks ago by Zagorath@aussie.zone to australia@aussie.zone
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makingStuffForFun@lemmy.ml 3 weeks ago
Zagorath@aussie.zone 3 weeks ago
I honestly doubt it. They’ve got very little to gain from it, and huge risk to reputation if they do it and then get hacked.
makingStuffForFun@lemmy.ml 3 weeks ago
They don’t care about reputation in any way. It’ll be a small fine of a few million and they’ll rub their hands for that cheap data.
No1@aussie.zone 3 weeks ago
I’ve got some accounts hanging around that were basically name sitting.
What they don’t realise is:
- i won’t go through any sort of age verification hoopla at all
- I will now actively tell people “I don’t use XMetaWhat anymore. If you want to contact me, please use AltFreeApp instead”
Gorgritch_umie_killa@aussie.zone 3 weeks ago
I’m interested in what you mean when you refer to a private news server? Do you mean like the Guardian app; or do you mean some sort of RSS set up; or is it some self hosted thing?
I’m interested because i have an idea for a news reposting site fed by an RSS feed, but maybe you use an equivalent system i’m not aware of.
No1@aussie.zone 3 weeks ago
I meant news as in nntp/usenet server.
nntp is so old school it became old school before school became old 😁
Pappabosley@lemmy.world 3 weeks ago
To be fair to the tech companies, the government has really left them holding the ball on this thing they didn’t ask for. The government did a little bit of age verification testing, found it was occasionally actuate in certain circumstances for a small portion of the population, then said good enough and told the tech companies to figure it out or we’ll fine you millions. The government then goes around taking all the credit for pretending to do something about “protecting” children and will just blame the tech companies when it all goes to shit. At the end of the day, it’s only stopping them from having accounts, they can still watch all the trash on YouTube and tiktok logged out and will be fingerprinted by their device to tune the algorithm.
melbaboutown@aussie.zone 3 weeks ago
The worst part is I can’t block dodgy recommended channels without being signed in. And yeah, it does still behave algorithmically for me.
So kids are still going to be seeing manosphere content, MLM crap, and whatever else. Not to mention gambling ads if those haven’t successfully been blocked (which has been made harder to do without having premium unless you know how)
Zagorath@aussie.zone 3 weeks ago
So the good news is that, despite the legislation saying it should apply to all social media sites, the actual regulation seems to only be being applied to certain designated platforms. Which is actually an excellent approach.
As for how it will work. Still nobody has been very clear. It’s likely companies will use profiling to estimate users’ age, and many people will simply not need to do anything to keep using it. If you do get detected as underage, facial recognition or uploading photo ID seems likely to be the only option.
Meta will use facial recognition provided by “Yoti” or photo ID.
Tiktok said it would have “a simple appeals process”. No further detail.
Google has not given any indication as to whether it will even comply with the ban, but has threatened legal action to determine if it is even lawful.
Snap and Kick say they will comply, but have not yet shared any details about how.
X and Reddit have not given any comment.
All other platforms are, as yet, exempt.
eureka@aussie.zone 3 weeks ago
It’s likely companies will use profiling to estimate users’ age, and many people will simply not need to do anything to keep using it
I wonder if I can preemptively add some activity to my profile to feign this, like add ‘married’ as a status and subscribe to insurance companies.
Zagorath@aussie.zone 3 weeks ago
I’m just hoping the fact that my account is, like…15(?) years old will be a pretty clear sign that I’m over 16.
melbaboutown@aussie.zone 3 weeks ago
They’ve been really unclear and flip flopping but YouTube has already demanded I age verify.
Tenderizer@aussie.zone 3 weeks ago
I’m already fully prepared for all my social media accounts to be deleted (because there’s no way in hell I’m giving google my ID).
If they go after Steam or my Email then I’d be in trouble, but I think those’ll be fine.
melbaboutown@aussie.zone 3 weeks ago
Same. I think Steam may have been added to the list for age verification but will need to double check in case I’m thinking of the UK version of this.
I’m not sure about email but am wary as Gmail addresses may be linked to Google search signins and YouTube which absolutely are going to ask for verification. I’ve been downloading media from Google drive and switching to different email providers on services that used a Gmail just in case.
Tenderizer@aussie.zone 2 weeks ago
Officially Steam is not included but they reserve the right to add it back. …gov.au/…/which-platforms-are-age-restricted
As for gmail, I can’t find a clear answer or even anyone who’s asked the question. The whole account deletion thing is stupid, they should just remove all the safety consequences of having an account (limiting interaction, hiding public profiles, etc). Actually they should just make me e-safety commissioner, because I’d do a far better job.
ComplexMoth@slrpnk.net 3 weeks ago
What do you lot use for group chats? For some reason my social circle decided facebook messenger is the goto. This could be the chance to get them off it. We’ve tried to setup a signal chat in the past, and there is some interest, but the lack of chat history deters new users. I don’t think we need that level of encryption going on.
Zagorath@aussie.zone 3 weeks ago
I also mostly use Facebook Messenger. In theory at least Messenger should be unaffected by this, since it’s a chat app, not “social media”. How that will play out in practice, with most Messenger accounts being tied to a Facebook account, is…unclear.
My other big chat app currently is Discord. I’ve recently started trying to convert one of my Discord groups onto Matrix. Matrix seems pretty good for this kind of thing. It can do one-on-one chats, group chats, and Discord-like “Spaces” with multiple different Rooms. For those less tech-inclined, just don’t explain any of the federation details, just go to matrix.org.
ComplexMoth@slrpnk.net 3 weeks ago
Cheers, I was thinking a Discord style platform would work well but don’t want to swap one closed system for another. Matrix looks good - with different rooms in spaces, public or invite only access, email only sign up. One issue with signal is also that everybody uses secretive usernames - not great for friendly neighbourhood community chats. But it looks like some Matrix clients have multi-account support, so that could fix that. Do you know if theres any sort of cap on user numbers? I’m envisioning around 50-150 users for events/requests/etc.
Taleya@aussie.zone 3 weeks ago
Trillian is still there and still great
MisterFrog@aussie.zone 3 weeks ago
There is chat history, you just have to back it up
ComplexMoth@slrpnk.net 3 weeks ago
Ah i meant history of what’s come before. When a new user joins, they just see a blank void, not a great first impression
MonkderVierte@lemmy.zip 3 weeks ago
Ugh, we are in the “find out” stage?
pHr34kY@lemmy.world 3 weeks ago
Can I send a video of the hair on my cock instead?
eureka@aussie.zone 3 weeks ago
How about I prove I’m old by not taking a selfie.
Taleya@aussie.zone 3 weeks ago
How about they look at my account creation date and then eat the entirety of my arse