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President Donald Trump on Thursday assailed Democratic lawmakers who told members of U.S. military they must refuse any illegal orders, calling them traitors who should face execution.
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The traitor would give illegal orders.
Telling people to follow the law is now punishable by death…sweet
Damn the earlier article i read didnt include the “SEDITIOUS BEHAVIOR, punishable by DEATH!” quote. Thats not something that should just be left out.
Every accusation is an admission of guilt from these people, as Trump knows damn well he'd be the one giving illegal orders. Like the rest of these chuds like Stephen Miller and that one day drunk dude I can't remember the name of, they are frothing at the mouth to give illegal orders though. Thankfully, protesters haven't given them the excuse they crave and desire.
So he just accidentally admitted that he intends to issue illegal orders, or minimum reserves the right to
While I know you are all good intelligent people who source your info before posting, I JUST had this argument with some people and figured I'd copy paste the literal facts for your easy consumption. Shout it far and wide, everyone.
I'm gonna edit this to include the oath, and then include the segment of the Code of Military Justice.
I, _____, do solemnly swear (or affirm) that I will support and defend the Constitution of the United States against all enemies, foreign and domestic; that I will bear true faith and allegiance to the same; and that I will obey the orders of the President of the United States and the orders of the officers appointed over me, according to regulations and the Uniform Code of Military Justice. So help me God.
10 U.S.C. § 892 (Article 92 – Failure to obey order or regulation)
“Any person subject to this chapter who—
(1) violates or fails to obey any lawful general order or regulation;
(2) having knowledge of any other lawful order issued by a member of the armed forces, which it is his duty to obey, fails to obey the order; or
(3) is derelict in the performance of his duties;
shall be punished as a court-martial may direct.”
Now two points. 1) Which comes first in the oath, the Constitution or the President? 2) Point ONE in the Uniform code says and I repeat 'violates or fails to obey any LAWFUL general order.
Per the same Uniform Code of Military Justice all orders lawful until military court deams them unlawful.
Only military court can determine the order to be illegal and until that determination is made months later the military can apply all the sactions against you (no pay, solitary confinment, loss of rank, etc.). Following orders even illegal ones is also an affimative defense for any crimes. It’s all by design as US learned from Nuremberg trials.
Cool cool cool cool.
“Ok troops, we’re taking this list of registered Democrats and killing them all.”
Military court:
“Are you insane? Of course that’s no-…”
(Judge removed)
“New judge, can you take Trump’s dick out of your mouth so you can rule on this?”
“Yep. All good here. That was a lawful order, hope you carried it out completely.”
I'd like for you to point that part out, as the only other reference is here:
From the commentary/guidance for Article 92:
“An order is presumed lawful. … A general order or regulation is lawful unless it is contrary to the Constitution, the laws of the United States, or lawful superior orders …”
The real Trump Derangement Syndrome is anybody who actually believes this guy about anything.
Unfortunately if you studied history at all you need to look outside the military to stop “illegal orders” because its members will do nothing except kill and torture for capital.
Funny as fuck to think what kind of limpdick response Dems can muster up to Trump saying he’ll execute them
This is kind of a silly thing the argue about. No significant amount of soldiers are going to disobey orders on principle. Anybody that does will be publicly crucified.
We can imagine a spectrum of individual thought to systemic thought. The individual thinker says they aren’t racist because they’ve never treated a POC poorly. The systemic thinker calls them racist for chanting “all lives matter” and driving back to a gated neighborhood. Similarly, the individual thinker wants soldiers to disobey orders as a means of getting things done. The systemic thinker recognizes that a military is a purpose-built system to prevent individual autonomy. Soldiers disobeying orders will never be a lever of pressure against the powers that be.
Ironic.
BrikoX@lemmy.zip 16 hours ago
Is Nazi enough?