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The real tragedy of the culture war: the right fights for something that never existed, the left for something that will never be

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Submitted ⁨⁨1⁩ ⁨week⁩ ago⁩ by ⁨MrSmiley@lemmy.zip⁩ to ⁨showerthoughts@lemmy.world⁩

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  • Varyk@sh.itjust.works ⁨1⁩ ⁨week⁩ ago

    “never!” they cry, as the first Muslim and Democratic Socialist is elected mayor of New York

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    • starlinguk@lemmy.world ⁨6⁩ ⁨days⁩ ago

      And the largest party in the Netherlands has a gay guy married to a guy from Argentina as leader.

      Which doesn’t mean much, really, since the fascist party in Germany has a lesbian leader married to a lady from Sri Lanka who lives in Switzerland.

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    • MrSmiley@lemmy.zip ⁨1⁩ ⁨week⁩ ago

      What does that change exactly? The Machine consumes all.

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      • Varyk@sh.itjust.works ⁨1⁩ ⁨week⁩ ago

        Proves the falsity of inevitability.

        Hopelessness and cynicism is very hip and very wrong.

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      • IAmNorRealTakeYourMeds@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨week⁩ ago

        Article “We must stop inequality before it collapses civilization”

        topic “NY elected a socialist that will fight to lower inequality”

        so, are you like agreeing with the comment that things are changing?

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      • JeSuisUnHombre@lemmy.zip ⁨1⁩ ⁨week⁩ ago

        unless inequality is vanquished

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  • theywilleatthestars@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨week⁩ ago

    Not with that attitude

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    • kwomp2@sh.itjust.works ⁨6⁩ ⁨days⁩ ago

      just be aware that making claims about a highly contigent future (u dont know) is a decision that influences the outcome.

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      • theywilleatthestars@lemmy.world ⁨6⁩ ⁨days⁩ ago

        yeah that’s what I’m saying

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  • driving_crooner@lemmy.eco.br ⁨1⁩ ⁨week⁩ ago

    Just today finished this podcast episode about that same topic


    Citations Needed: Episode 157: How the “Culture War” Label Is Used to Trivialize Life-and-Death Economic Issues

    “Let the Culture Wars Begin. Again,” The New York Times announces. “How the ‘Culture War’ Could Break Democracy,” warns Politico. “As The Culture Wars Shift, President Trump Struggles To Adapt,” NPR tells us. “Will Democrats Go on the Offensive in the Culture Wars?” Vanity Fair wonders.

    Over and over, we’re reminded that so-called culture wars are being waged between a simplified Left and Right. Depending on who you ask, they tend to encompass issues under very broad categories: “LGBTQ rights,” “abortion,” “funding for the arts,” “policing,” “immigration,” “family values.” While there is some validity to the label of “culture war issue” – say, Republican opposition to an art installation, or tantrums over the gender of M&Ms – most of the time, the term is woefully misapplied.

    Despite what much of the media claims, LGBTQ rights, police violence, abortion, and so many other issues aren’t just “culture war” fluff in the same league as the latest Fox News meltdown about a cartoon character. Nor are they both-sides-able matters of debate. They’re matters of real, material consequence, often with life-and-death stakes. So why is it that these are placed under the “culture war” umbrella? And what are the dangers of characterizing them that way?

    On this episode, we discuss the vague nature of the term “culture war”; how this lack of clarity is weaponized to gloss over and minimize life-and-death issues like police violence and gender-affirming healthcare; and how the only consistent criterion for a “culture war” seems to be issues that impact someone other than the media’s default audience, i.e., a white professional-class man.

    Our guest is The Real News Network Editor-in-Chief Max Alvarez.

    Episode webpage: …libsyn.com/episode-157-how-the-culture-war-label…

    Media file: dts.podtrac.com/…/CN157_20220309_culture_wars_Alv…

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  • apfelwoiSchoppen@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨week⁩ ago

    And the center fights for the illusion of objectivity.

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    • MrSmiley@lemmy.zip ⁨1⁩ ⁨week⁩ ago

      That would be endless growth. It is the culture now.

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  • TranquilTurbulence@lemmy.zip ⁨1⁩ ⁨week⁩ ago

    Have you considered forming a coalition government? That’s how much of Europe has been working for a while now. There’s usually a little bit of blue, red and green in the mix. Maybe some other colors too.

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    • brucethemoose@lemmy.world ⁨6⁩ ⁨days⁩ ago

      You’re speaking of the US?

      In theory that’s what the federal system is supposed to be; states are the mix of red, white, blue and green. Though obviously it would be great if the states themselves were coalition govts.

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      • TranquilTurbulence@lemmy.zip ⁨6⁩ ⁨days⁩ ago

        In a mostly theoretical sense. America can’t fix its politics without making some radical changes to the voting system, but I don’t expect that to happen anytime soon.

        The current system naturally gravitates towards a two-party system, which isn’t quite what I would consider a coalition government. If you have three or four parties actively negotiating about major decisions, that’s when you begin to see the benefits.

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