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Supporting the future of the open web: Cloudflare is sponsoring Ladybird and Omarchy
Submitted 2 weeks ago by lena@gregtech.eu to technology@lemmy.world
https://blog.cloudflare.com/supporting-the-future-of-the-open-web/
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asudox@lemmy.asudox.dev 2 weeks ago
avidamoeba@lemmy.ca 2 weeks ago
Perhaps Servo isn’t apolitical enough. 🥹
Blisterexe@lemmy.zip 2 weeks ago
I think that kinda weird and bad statement from the ladybird lead makes way more sense when you realize that his first language is german.
German, like other gendered languages, uses the male gender for an unknown person, using a genderless pronoun like “they” in german is a deliberate political stance that would prompt debate and is unusual and, frankly, weird.
Given that he apologized and changed it to they later, and no other incident of the sort happened since, I personally am willing to give him the benifit of the doubt.
kami@lemmy.dbzer0.com 2 weeks ago
Is it surprising to anyone?
teolan@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
Or maybe servo didn’t mourn the fascist Charlie Kirk enough: This is Ladybird’s Creator.
At least both projects funded by cloudflare support fascists. Omarchy is by DHH, who is not a good person
sem@lemmy.blahaj.zone 2 weeks ago
They doubled down and showed their true colors. AFAIK they never tried to improve the situation after that.
TheOneCurly@feddit.online 2 weeks ago
They don’t appear to be sponsoring that one
SnotFlickerman@lemmy.blahaj.zone 2 weeks ago
1984@lemmy.today 2 weeks ago
Cloudflare doesnt want an open web, wtf… More ridiculous fake posturing from big tech.
Evotech@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
I think they do
If everything is big tech and walled gardens what it’s cloud flares role?
drmoose@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
Same roll it is today? Sell spyware and data hosting.
barnaclebutt@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
Why does CloudFlare not want an open web? I don’t know why they care. Can someone please explain?
sugar_in_your_tea@sh.itjust.works 2 weeks ago
They do.
The basis for the FUD is that Cloudflare controls a lot of the web since they’re used as a CDN, DDOS mitigation, domain registration, etc. However, what the FUD fails to mention is they don’t provide most of the infrastructure for the web, Amazon AWS, Google Cloud, and Microsoft Azure totally dwarf their footprint. DDOS protection and whatnot may be provided largely by Cloudflare, but not the rest of the web stack.
Cloudflare very much doesn’t want one or two companies to dominate the web because that’ll kill their business model. The more diversity there is on the web, the more attractive their services are, because people are willing to pay for things to just work.
pressanykeynow@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
I can explain. Cloudflare does not block VPNs, some website owners choose to block VPNs using Cloudflare services.
Cloudflare itself is very open to VPNs, like you can use their free services to proxy your VPN over their network bypassing country providers blocking. You’ll have to pay a lot for such service in Amazon or Azure.
So their business model is that poor people can receive cool services for free providing marketing for their business clients to pay for even better services. And they do provide cool services for free and even better services for reasonable payments.
Closed web means Google, Amazon and Azure own their business and the web. They don’t want that neither in business sense nor in moral sense.
moseschrute@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
Idk, but a lot of Lemmy instances also don’t play nice with VPNs. Some of them are using Cloudflare, but idk if all the ones blocking VPNs are the ones using Cloudflare. But bot traffic is a big problem, and Cloudflare poses a solution to that. It’s not the ony solution, but it is a pretty good one.
You can’t really have a free social media network and not have it block VPNs. At least not with large public instances.
KairuByte@lemmy.dbzer0.com 2 weeks ago
Care to elaborate, or are you just saying things to get a reaction?
1984@lemmy.today 1 week ago
Maybe look up their reputation and what they are trying to do? Its not too hard.
Imgonnatrythis@sh.itjust.works 2 weeks ago
fuck cloud flare
UnmetPlayer@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
How come?
Imgonnatrythis@sh.itjust.works 2 weeks ago
How can people not see that any single corporation standing between us and 20% of the entire interweb is a bad thing? You think this time they are going to turn out to be the good guys?
sorter_plainview@lemmy.today 2 weeks ago
Didn’t Ladybird is going to adopt Swift as their preferred language? I’m slightly confused on why Ladybird over Servo. But I guess people at Cloudflare have more knowledge than me. So I guess there is a good reason.
lena@gregtech.eu 2 weeks ago
Yep, they’re moving from C++ to swift.
panda_abyss@lemmy.ca 2 weeks ago
How does that work?
Working with raw buffers and memory in Swift is a frustrating experience.
TuxEnthusiast@sopuli.xyz 2 weeks ago
Cloudflare alternatives anyone?
lena@gregtech.eu 2 weeks ago
I’d say Bunny CDN is pretty good, but here’s a more complete list: european-alternatives.eu/…/cloudflare
xep@discuss.online 2 weeks ago
CF aside, i’m not the biggest fan that Ladybird decided on Swift, since it’s such an Apple-centric language.
lepinkainen@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
Servo kinda died when the main people left
BlameTheAntifa@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
Swift is open source (Apache 2) and is a very pleasant language to work with. I would have gone with Rust, personally, but I can’t fault anyone for choosing Swift. It’s a very underrated language.
pastermil@sh.itjust.works 2 weeks ago
Ladybird instead of Servo? And then some obscure desktop environment? What the fuck are they even trying to achieve here? We already got some big names and they’re betting on the small ones?
shaytan@lemmy.dbzer0.com 2 weeks ago
Ladybird has been a serious competitor for months, and its ideology is excedingly good and user-oriented, so thats why
Idk why they sponsored Omarchy, but it looks cool, altough I dont see what they’ll get from that
lena@gregtech.eu 2 weeks ago
Omarchy is a Linux distro.
And I think ladybird is a bit larger of a project than servo, and they can’t sponsor every single browser engine.
octoblade@lemmynsfw.com 2 weeks ago
Ladybird has ambitions of being an actual end-user browser, servo seems to only have ambitions of being a browser engine.
MonkderVierte@lemmy.zip 2 weeks ago
So servo is more realistic you say?
Aatube@kbin.melroy.org 2 weeks ago
Omarchy mentioned!!
favoredponcho@lemmy.zip 2 weeks ago
Ladybird needs to be careful who they accept money from
RedPandaRaider@feddit.org 2 weeks ago
Cloudflare PR. Fuck them. Blocking VPNs from accessing websites is very open web of you.
tekato@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
Cloudflare blocks VPNs at the request of whoever is running the server. There are tons of websites running on Cloudflare that work with VPNs.
moseschrute@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
There are also many Lemmy instances that are intentionally blocking VPNs because they have to to stay afloat.
IphtashuFitz@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
Exactly. My employer uses Akamai, which is larger than Cloudflare. Akamai provides the ability to block traffic from Tor, traffic from VPNs, traffic from any countries you desire, and so on. They also provide managed lists of countries listed in thing like ITAR so you can easily block them if you want.
drmoose@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
Nope. Cloudflare use a complex set of fingerprinting tools that determine security scores. It’s literally social credit system for web user agents and the site admits have little control over that.
AmbiguousProps@lemmy.today 2 weeks ago
I’m using a VPN with my cloudflare reverse proxies right now. That blocking is configured by the website owners, not Cloudflare.
RedPandaRaider@feddit.org 2 weeks ago
It is Cloudflare that creates this functionality and gives access to it to its customers though.
MangoPenguin@lemmy.blahaj.zone 2 weeks ago
For what it’s worth when you set up your site on cloudflare you get to choose how strict you want security to be and what URLs it applies to, or just disable it and use it only as a CDN.
It would be nice if they were more clear that enabling some features might block legitimate users though.