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The EU has never been closer to agreeing on Chat Control – here's how we got here and what’s at stake

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Submitted ⁨⁨3⁩ ⁨days⁩ ago⁩ by ⁨commander@lemmy.world⁩ to ⁨technology@lemmy.world⁩

https://www.techradar.com/vpn/vpn-privacy-security/the-eu-has-never-been-closer-to-agreeing-on-the-scanning-of-your-private-chats-but-how-did-we-get-here

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  • network_switch@lemmy.ml ⁨3⁩ ⁨days⁩ ago

    Fast forward to July 2025, Denmark reintroduced Chat Control as a top legislative priority on its first day of Presidency. While keeping the Belgian approach of limiting scanning to URLs and multimedia files, many experts feel that the text goes back to where it started – it reintroduces the indiscriminate scanning of unknown CSAM material, too.

    The Danish proposal introduces new obligations for all messaging services operating in Europe to scan users’ chats – even if they’re encrypted – in the search for both known and unknown CSAM material.

    Crucially, the mandatory scanning is expected to occur directly on the device before messages get encrypted, targeting shared URLs, pictures, and videos. Only governments and military accounts are excluded from the scope of the bill.

    First day and that’s their most pressing concern, scanning everyones communications. This is EU, but after the Snowden leaks I knew it would all just be made legal since it was public knowledge then. Now trending towards making it all indiscriminate and mandatory. For a long time now I’ve come to always expect surveillance powers to eventually be abused

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    • iii@mander.xyz ⁨3⁩ ⁨days⁩ ago

      Damn near anyone paying attention knows this isn’t about child porn

      The fact that the politicians exclude themselves from the spying is an indicator it might actually be about child porn

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  • Lazycog@sopuli.xyz ⁨3⁩ ⁨days⁩ ago

    On top of all of this, these fucks don’t seem to be worried about their own encryption outside of office / position.

    Fucking idiots. Has anyone told them that them using any of their free-time devices would be suspectible to any exploit that this introduces too (and it will)? Oh, got a new iPad for home? Guess what, you are important enough that a zero-day exploit was worth it to be used on you. Would they get off their career-high for one moment and think…

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    • Valmond@lemmy.world ⁨3⁩ ⁨days⁩ ago

      Naaah, that’ll excempt themselves from it of course!

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  • network_switch@lemmy.ml ⁨3⁩ ⁨days⁩ ago

    Everyone should probably just assume that even if this fails this go around, it will succeed eventually and keep building and adopting tools to circumvent these rules

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  • reksas@sopuli.xyz ⁨3⁩ ⁨days⁩ ago

    we should start pushing opposite law in same way, something which would need to be repealed first to try push the chat control law again.

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    • Lazycog@sopuli.xyz ⁨3⁩ ⁨days⁩ ago

      From the article:

      As Voge from the Internet Society explains, Germany is key because there’s a new government in charge. The previous government was indeed very pro-encryption – seeking to make encryption a legal right at home, while strongly opposing mandatory scanning in the block. Yet, the new administration “is giving very mixed messages and no one can definitively say what’s going to happen on Friday,” Voge added.

      I really like the idea of encryption as a legal right.

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      • bjoern_tantau@swg-empire.de ⁨2⁩ ⁨days⁩ ago

        FWIW Germany is already opposing it. I’m pleasantly surprised.

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      • fluffykittycat@slrpnk.net ⁨2⁩ ⁨days⁩ ago

        From my cold dead hands

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  • just_an_average_joe@lemmy.dbzer0.com ⁨3⁩ ⁨days⁩ ago

    Germany and luxemberg alrrady opposes it btw.

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    • Humanius@lemmy.world ⁨3⁩ ⁨days⁩ ago

      The countries that oppose Chat Control are:

      • Austria
      • Belgium
      • Czechia
      • Finland
      • Germany
      • Luxemburg
      • Netherlands
      • Poland

      Supporters are:

      • Bulgaria
      • Croatia
      • Cyprus
      • Denmark
      • France
      • Hungary
      • Ireland
      • Italy
      • Latvia
      • Lithuania
      • Malta
      • Portugal
      • Slovakia
      • Spain
      • Sweden

      All other countries are currently undecided

      Source: fightchatcontrol.eu

      Contact your representatives and tell them they should oppose Chat Control. The link above lists who they are and provides some templates for emails you could send them

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      • UnderpantsWeevil@lemmy.world ⁨3⁩ ⁨days⁩ ago

        It’s so crazy to see so much of the Eastern Bloc line up in favor of a new Stasi. Bulgaria? Latvia? Slovakia? Croatia? You really want a powerful state government breathing down your neck?

        Hell, even Ireland? After decades of oppressive British rule, you should fucking know better.

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      • lemmylommy@lemmy.world ⁨3⁩ ⁨days⁩ ago

        I would be very surprised if Germany continues to oppose. Our new government is made up of conservatives who believe as long as they do the spying everything is good and nothing can go wrong - and famously spineless social democrats.

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      • Akasazh@feddit.nl ⁨2⁩ ⁨days⁩ ago

        For much EU legislation it only gets implemented if there is consensus. Often one country can block quite a lot, see Hungary.

        Why is this different?

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  • kylian0087@lemmy.dbzer0.com ⁨2⁩ ⁨days⁩ ago

    Being in one of the opposing country’s, is it still useful to contact a representative? Or any thing else I can do?

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  • UnderpantsWeevil@lemmy.world ⁨3⁩ ⁨days⁩ ago

    The more you tighten your grip, the more folks will slip through your fingers.

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