please defederate from exploding-heads.com and rammy.site

Submitted ⁨⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago⁩ by ⁨Shikadi@lemmy.sdf.org⁩ to ⁨sdfpubnix@lemmy.sdf.org⁩

(not sure if this is the right community, sorry)

Hi, someone posted this on another server. I’d like to request we defederate with rammy.site and exploding-heads.com as well. I scrolled through some of their posts and comments and it’s full of ridiculous anti-left propaganda, for example a post where some liberal Florida family fleeing the state when some child protection laws got passed, implying liberals abuse children and won’t live in a state that doesn’t allow them to. Just take a look for yourself.

" Admins of Lemmy.ml please consider defederating from rammy.site it has been taken over by right wing malicious actors from exploding-heads.com and the admin is nowhere to be found.

It is imperative that you take action as soon as possible the users on rammy are using the site to spread their messages to a further audience, we must nip this in the bud. If you don’t believe me check the instance for yourself, you’ll see it dominated with bigoted right wing posts and spam communities."

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Shredder@lemmy.sdf.org ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago
I joined this instance because it doesn’t block/ defederate. Everyone can pick what they want to see cutting it off is stupid.

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- Landericus@lemmy.sdf.org ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago
  I too joined this community because it hasn’t blocked nor been blocked by any other community on Lemmy.
  
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- Shikadi@lemmy.sdf.org ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago
  Is that a policy of this instance?
  
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  - Artemis@lemmy.sdf.org ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago
    It’s a policy of the community. You really should read sdf.org faq. Best regards.
    
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- nickwitha_k@lemmy.sdf.org ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago
  I joined this instance because I wanted to learn, collaborate, and share tech- and art-related ideas in an environment not toxic like commercial social media that has been filled with bad actors. An environment more akin to the 1990s BBS systems where tech-misfits are free to be without being subjected to hate from those pushing anti-social philosophies.
  
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funchords@lemmy.sdf.org ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago
If I am reading the situation wrong, I apologize.

The reason that I am not a member at beehaw was because they were overly wrapped up in concerns such as this one. I’m here for enjoyable chats with people, not to take sides in the latest macro-politics or causes or whatever lately is stirring the pot or making the winds blow. These things are fine and some people are interested in them, but I’m turned off by the idea of an instance that is particularly identified one way or another when I am not concerned with any of that.

What I’m looking for are kind souls that share an interest in technology and an instance that was widely federated so that a wide variety of my interest groups (music, weightloss, networking, ancient Stoicism) are available. That’s why I joined here. SDF has been around a long time and many who have enjoyed its offerings have held many different opinions and yet shared this resource peacefully.

I’m particularly turned off by people that want a silo with only the right causes, only the right thinking, only the right speech.

That doesn’t mean we shouldn’t have management and protection of against those that are unkindly trolling or actively trying to do technical damage. Ban those actually doing evil. But if people of good cheer share different views kindky as neighbors and friends, I have no problem with that and don’t want to see that roped off.

Remember the two rules of FidoNet? “Don’t be excessively annoying. Don’t be easily annoyed.” That’s all I’m saying.

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- Shikadi@lemmy.sdf.org ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago
  You’re reading the situation wrong. Go to those instances and read what’s there, it’s not about free speech, it’s active disinformation campaigns and propaganda. I would feel the same if it was extreme leftist propaganda. It’s not about creating an echo chamber. I respect the right to free speech, but that isn’t the same as allowing people a platform to systematically organize hate using falsified information. This is a situation where silence is complicity. Their instance continues to exist without us, their free speech continues, but by remaining federated we are giving them a platform.
  
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  - funchords@lemmy.sdf.org ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago
    As usual, I have typed 500 words when 50 will do, and for that I apologize.
    
    Go to those instances and read what’s there
    
    No, I do not care to and why would you do that? You already have determined it’s not right for you. Any alleged content problem that you have to see by going there would, if true, be a problem there. Does that make it a problem here? If I have to take extraordinary steps here to see it here, isn’t that on me? Isn’t the apparatus doing what it is supposed to be doing if I seek out a thing and find it?
    
    The ultimate measure of freedom is the freedom to abstain. (Nobody is forcibly opting us in to reading their content.)
    
    I’m just a regular user of SDF so these things aren’t up to me, but I would think that it would take more than “because it exists.” Defederation and Federation shouldn’t be used to signal alignment and nonalignment of expression, but for reasons of managing the network itself. A telephone company provides service to everyone and doesn’t care what you do with your phone. But, if someone is using it in a way that disrupts the network itself or others’ ability to use the network, the telephone company should act to protect the overall integrity of the network. Even then it wouldn’t silence the speech because of the speech, but because of the network.
    
    Their instance continues to exist without us, their free speech continues, but by remaining federated we are giving them a platform.
    
    Look, it’s one thing to be put off by someone going out of their way to affront you. It’s another to feel affronted after going out of your way to find if there is something objectionable anywhere. By that logic, since you have found something then defederation alone should not be enough, as “we are giving them a platform” still, because other people might visit there directly instead of through federation. Therefore, due to that situation, they should not have an DNS entry so you work on their Registrar to “deplatform” them. Then, because someone can connect using an IP address, their ISP should disconnect their service or else they’re providing their ISP as a platform. But as they can get another ISP in this day of mobile connectivity, you could chase down their power company, yes, because their power company is a platform – as is their landlord – as is their employer. And so on.
    
    I remain unconvinced.
    
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  - SJ0@lemmy.fbxl.net ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago
    
    I don’t want to create an echo chamber, so lets make sure that people I disagree with can never talk to anyone who doesn’t agree with them
    
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  - ThorrJo@lemmy.sdf.org ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago
    
    it’s active disinformation campaigns and propaganda.
    
    That’s for me to decide, not for you to decide on my behalf.
    
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- aes@beehaw.org ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago
  You are aware that defederating from an instance won’t stop individual users from that instance joining yours?
  
  To be honest your view on things seems far too innocent, like paradox of tolerance manifest. What you desire is something that’s fought for and fiercely defended. The rest of the internet should serve evidence for why we can’t just have nice things.
  
  Also did you look at the instances in question yourself?
  
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  - seitanic@lemmy.sdf.org ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago
    What do you think the paradox of tolerance is? The reason why I ask is because it’s commonly misunderstood, because the quote explaining it is taken out of context.
    
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  - funchords@lemmy.sdf.org ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago
    
    Also did you look at the instances in question yourself?
    
    No. I’m operating under the principle that anything that I have to experience by going elsewhere practically proves that it isn’t causing a problem here.
    
    You are aware that defederating from an instance won’t stop individual users from that instance joining yours?
    
    If defederation causes objectionable people that would otherwise leave the remaining network alone to – because they were defederated – to come here and everywhere and not leave other instances alone, then the best move from the network’s perspective is to remain federated. Right?
    
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- seitanic@lemmy.sdf.org ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago
  
  ancient Stoicism
  
  Is there modern stoicism? And if so, how is it different?
  
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  - funchords@lemmy.sdf.org ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago
    There is the English dictionary definition of stoic and stoicism with a small s character. There is also an ancient philosophy of Stoicism both ongoing and with a recent revival currently ongoing.
    
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- ThorrJo@lemmy.sdf.org ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago
  funchords, ha, we don’t know each other but we’ve bumped into each other before on reddit long ago and I remember your name and that you were in a barbershop quartet. looks like you picked a good instance as home, be well man :)
  
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  - funchords@lemmy.sdf.org ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago
    Hello again! Yes, that’s me. I’m still in a quartet! ♫ Thanks for saying hello!
    
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Artemis@lemmy.sdf.org ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago
I seriously doubt sdf.org will defederate due to political, religious or other kind of views unless some kind of danger to its users is involved, and even then I’m pretty sure we would go to ARPA votes over it. While the instance might be recent the community behind sdf.org is ancient (I say this with my utmost respect for them ) so yea, not their first rodeo or last one. If you don’t like the views of those instances feel free to block them yourself. Best regards.

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- Shikadi@lemmy.sdf.org ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago
  Why does everyone keep thinking this is about political views?
  
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  - ThorrJo@lemmy.sdf.org ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago
    Maybe because of the literal content of your post?
    
    I scrolled through some of their posts and comments and it’s full of ridiculous anti-left propaganda, for example a post where some liberal Florida family fleeing the state when some child protection laws got passed, implying liberals abuse children and won’t live in a state that doesn’t allow them to.
    
    I’ve got news for you: the entire planet has not taken up American political idiocy. Nobody outside of the USA (and many of the people in it) do not give a fuck about American political slapfights.
    
    If you want a safe space instance for one or another American “team,” find it somewhere else or start one yourself.
    
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  - vlad76@lemmy.sdf.org ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago
    Because most of the time people who cry about being forced to see things they don’t like are crying about a political topic. You can control what you block yourself. Don’t drag the rest of us into your own echo chamber.
    
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vlad76@lemmy.sdf.org ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago
Please don’t! The whole reason I made an account here is because they don’t defederate. I want to control what I read. If you have a problem with a certain instance or user, block them yourself! It’s very easy.

I don’t want to have to spin up a whole instance just for myself.

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- some_guy@lemmy.sdf.org ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago
  I decided to see for myself so I could voice an informed opinion. One of the first posts I saw on their (EH) Local channel, titled Based Pride Month, is an image of a headline reading, Saudi Arabia Celebrate Pride Month by Hanging Gays with Rainbow Noose. This is hateful content. My ability to discern such has nothing to do with savvy. I don’t want to see these opinions because they are grotesque.
  
  However, I haven’t seen ExHeads leaking out into the greater Lemmiverse. That said, I want nothing to do with anyone who considers this ok. Even if they are currently fairly contained, they have made it clear who they are and I choose not to surround myself with bigots.
  
  I vote to defederate. We don’t need to wait for them to become a huge pain in the ass. They are showing us who they are.
  
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  - vlad76@lemmy.sdf.org ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago
    So, why don’t you block it yourself? Why are you making that decision for others?
    
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- GenderNeutralBro@lemmy.sdf.org ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago
  I can block users or communities but I don’t think there’s a way to block instances.
  
  There are some tricks you can do with uBlock, which I’ve done, but that doesn’t help on apps.
  
  I hope this feature gets added to Lemmy at some point.
  
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  - seitanic@lemmy.sdf.org ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago
    So, the effect of “blocking an instance” is that you’d be blocking all users from that instance? Seems like a useful feature.
    
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  - grysbok@lemmy.sdf.org ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago
    The Android app Connect has it. I’ve blocked a few instances, so I don’t see communities from them. I do see posts from users from those instances, but they’re collapsed by default. Example:
    
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- CanadaPlus@lemmy.sdf.org ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago
  You said it better than I was going to. Keeping truthaboutjews.ru out of grandma’s feed is one thing, but I feel like I’m savvy enough to read garbage responsibly. Maybe I’m being overconfident but there it is.
  
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  - PoliticalAgitator@lemm.ee ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago
    Do you have the same level of confidence in children and people who are deeply mentally ill?
    
    If you want to read far-right trash, you can set up an account on a far-right trash server, rather than insisting that everybody else on the instance tolerates them for your convenience.
    
    Their posts might be a harmless novelty for you but for others, they’re threats of violence and celebrations of abuse.
    
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why@lemmy.sdf.org ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago
Imo deferderating should be a last resort. And so far I haven’t seen any excessive cases of people coming over and breaking the rules of this instance.

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ThorrJo@lemmy.sdf.org ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago
I’m not in favor of defederating over political preference at all. I don’t come to this instance expecting an echo chamber, and an echo chamber is precisely what I do not want.

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- Shikadi@lemmy.sdf.org ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago
  It’s not political difference, it’s disinformation and propaganda
  
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  - xigoi@lemmy.sdf.org ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago
    lemmygrad.ml is also full of propaganda and nobody seems to be trying to defederate it.
    
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- nickwitha_k@lemmy.sdf.org ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago
  Whether people have a right to exist or have basic human rights is not political preference. And disinformation is in direct conflict with free and open knowledge and learning.
  
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- Sexypink@exploding-heads.com ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago
  Same
  
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ken_cleanairsystems@lemmy.sdf.org ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago
Yes, please. I’m very much in favor of this, too.

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Sharpiemarker@feddit.de ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago
Yep, exploding heads is a cesspool.

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attributed@exploding-heads.com ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago
Censoring for differences in political opinion is an obvious violation of freedom of speech. If you don’t like them, censor them for yourself. Why are you advocating what others should or shouldn’t hear?

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- lambalicious@lemmy.sdf.org ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago
  
  Censoring for differences in political opinion is an obvious violation of freedom of speech
  
  Oh no yet another freeze peach fan complaining about how somehow SDF is part of the government.
  
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  - attributed@exploding-heads.com ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago
    Triggered by advocacy for free speech? I have seen lots of braindead clowns like you
    
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wesker@lemmy.sdf.org ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago
The exploding-heads troll communities are tongue in cheek, and intended to rustle your jimmies. You’re taking the bait.

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- MrSpArkle@lemmy.ca ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago
  And as 4chan taught us, ironic tongue-in-cheek bigotry leads to an environment where people engage in rational conversations about equitable and inclusive society.
  
  Wait no, it leads to a cesspool of racists encouraging each other to livestream their mass shooting of “inferior” races.
  
  You’re taking the bait of the “free marketplace of ideas”.
  
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  - poweruser@lemmy.sdf.org ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago
    Very well said. This is why I am also in favor of “defederating over political preference”.
    
    Tolerating intolerance leads to violence but deplatforming actually does work to reduce harm.
    
    We should defederate from hateful and abusive instances
    
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  - wesker@lemmy.sdf.org ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago
    Seems pretty free to me. For example assuming your take, it will continue to exist even if you avert your eyes.
    
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- Shikadi@lemmy.sdf.org ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago
  They’re also not, look closer at the discussions
  
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visiblink@lemmy.sdf.org ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago
What these people do makes no difference to me unless significant numbers of annoying posts end up in my “all” feed. But for that to happen, large numbers of people would have to engage with them. So don’t do that.

It’s probably better that our edifying posts are filtering into their feeds. They might learn something.

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- Shikadi@lemmy.sdf.org ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago
  Doubt it, if they believe the stuff on those servers they’re convinced everything else is the propaganda
  
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Arsecroft@lemmy.sdf.org ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago
If they have anything interesting or non-hateful to say they’ll say it on another instance. The hate they spew is only on these instances because the admins are hateful.

If there is a vote I will vote to defederate and I’ll sleep perfectly well because the slippery slope fallacy is just that. If I want to see their hateful garbage I’ll sign up for an account there.

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zumi@lemmy.sdf.org ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago
I would suggest just not subscribing to any communities on that site. Let’s not turn everything into a defederate war.

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- Shikadi@lemmy.sdf.org ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago
  Let’s not turn defederating from an unmoderated server a war?
  
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  - zumi@lemmy.sdf.org ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago
    OK. Changed.
    
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epl692@lemmy.sdf.org ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago
I’m confused… We’re talking about trying to make two fediverses here… That’s kinda weird. I hear your “don’t mix bleach with ammonia”… But if I see someone say that on Lemmy… Am I going to do it? How does it actually hurt me? I understand it’s hateful and offensive, but this is a free and open internet, and that is one big reason I choose Lemmy/Mastodon over twitter/reddit. It’s like the library… Have you ever seen something at the library you don’t like. An opposing viewpoint? Do we defund the library and close it because there’s a “gay comic book” in it? That happened in my area, very stupid. I come here for all my ideas, and expect to be offended by some. It’s the internet. Plan to be offended… By 9am. When you wake up at 8:55a. And it takes you 4 minutes to pick up your phone.

But then again I could be a crazy conservative or liberal or something… Don’t trust me.

Now where where the memes again.

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- Shikadi@lemmy.sdf.org ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago
  This is my daily reminder that there are many people on the internet who don’t understand history. And also seemingly a lack of understanding of the word federation.
  
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  - ThorrJo@lemmy.sdf.org ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago
    
    And also seemingly a lack of understanding of the word federation.
    
    All this can be solved easily if you just go somewhere else.
    
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- seitanic@lemmy.sdf.org ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago
  Lemmy was designed for both federation and defederation. It doesn’t make sense to blindly federate with every instance in existence, if for no other reason than some of them will be full of spam and/or illegal content.
  
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  - epl692@lemmy.sdf.org ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago
    Illegal and spambots are one thing… I just don’t want thought police on sdf. If your reason for defederation is “I don’t like them, we should make them go away.” Then maybe we are no better then the people who say those things about us.
    
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- epl692@lemmy.sdf.org ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago
  Additional thought… If the people in the defederate camp just go and post things they don’t like… Maybe they defederate with us… Then we don’t stoop, and you get your wish? (I assume it goes both ways) 😜
  
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deFrisselle@lemmy.sdf.org ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago
No one is forcing you to read post there so why are you

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shogun5000@exploding-heads.com ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago
How about grow the fuck up, snowflake? You can curate your own feed and create a precious, little echo chamber.

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- Blobtopus@lemmy.sdf.org ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago
  This comment is terrible—a conspiratorial person might call it a false flag, aimed at generating support for defederation.
  
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shogun5000@exploding-heads.com ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago
Reeeee!

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Zeroxxx@lemm.ee ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago
Hahaha turns out your far left campaign does not bear fruit eh, OP?

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- Shikadi@lemmy.sdf.org ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago
  My far left campaign to defederate from an unmoderated compromised instance? Huh. I didn’t know that had anything to do with political preferences. Are you trying to tell me that the right wing advocates for unmoderated instances and disinformation?
  
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