Comment on please defederate from exploding-heads.com and rammy.site

• CanadaPlus@lemmy.sdf.org ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

  Do you have the same level of confidence in children and people who are deeply mentally ill?

  I’m not SDF, or even that familiar with the organisation, but I would argue we shouldn’t let such people use this instance. Or grandma from my example, for that matter.

  Their posts might be a harmless novelty for you but for others, they’re threats of violence and celebrations of abuse.

  I never said they’re a harmless novelty to me. I don’t particularly expect to interact with these people but if I do I promise it won’t be in support of their hate, or even passive of it.

  If you want to read far-right trash, you can set up an account on a far-right trash server, rather than insisting that everybody else on the instance tolerates them for your convenience.

  Like people have said, you can block things for yourself.

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  • some_guy@lemmy.sdf.org ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

    I’m not SDF, or even that familiar with the organisation, but I would argue we shouldn’t let such people use this instance. Or grandma from my example, for that matter.

    It sounds like you think it’s easy to police who can join an instance. The privacy ramifications of what you’re alluding to are troubling.

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    • CanadaPlus@lemmy.sdf.org ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

      Sort of, but if you leave the door wide open you get, like, straight-up spambots, and then everyone defederates you. It’s pretty hard to make an email address without your real-life identity or something equivalent for the same reason.

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      • lori@lemmy.sdf.org ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

        So you think grandmas and children and people with mental illness shouldn’t be allowed here, but people who call LGBT people slurs and make jokes about hanging them should be?

        That’s…really not at all how SDF operates.

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  • PoliticalAgitator@lemm.ee ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

    I never said they’re a harmless novelty to me. I don’t particularly expect to interact with these people but if I do I promise it won’t be in support of their hate, or even passive of it.

    “Let’s just give them free reign and leave the people they’re trying to bully into suicide block them” sounds pretty passive to me.

    Like people have said, you can block things for yourself.

    Something people have been able to do on every platform the far-right have built a little rat nest on.

    Looking at the last 5 years, do you feel that strategy has been effective?

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    • CanadaPlus@lemmy.sdf.org ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

      Well, you’re being true to you name, but I guess I’d question if your approach has been effective. We could make a walled garden, but that’s just [insert big platform] again and we all know where that goes.

      “But hate is different!” well yeah it is, but walled garden is bad and semi-walled garden has proved unstable. By federating we’ve accepted that people will use the fediverse for whatever; defederating from something as a moderation tool effects only people on this small instance, which is useless. If it was a bigger instance maybe you would be right.

      Of course, I’m basically a guest here, so I have to temper my opinions even on that, and you’re not even on this instance. It seems like there’s some free speech absolutists here so maybe I’m wasting my breath.

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    • ThorrJo@lemmy.sdf.org ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

      You aren’t even a user of SDF Lemmy. So why are you spamming everyone here with your irrelevant opinions?

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      • PoliticalAgitator@lemm.ee ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

        Sounds like you’ll hate the work exploding-heads do then. Better defederate.

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  • nickwitha_k@lemmy.sdf.org ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

    I’m not SDF, or even that familiar with the organisation, but I would argue we shouldn’t let such people use this instance. Or grandma from my example, for that matter.

    I’m not sure that this approach is in-line with the org’s stated mission.

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    • CanadaPlus@lemmy.sdf.org ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

      Oh, okay.

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      • nickwitha_k@lemmy.sdf.org ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

        This instance is run by a 501© non-profit and their stated mission is:

        Our mission is to provide remotely accessible computing facilities for the advancement of public education, cultural enrichment, scientific research and recreation. Members can interact electronically with each other regardless of their location using passive or interactive forums. Further purposes include the recreational exchange of information concerning the Liberal and Fine Arts.

        I didn’t necessarily take your statement to be ageist. However, considering the above, excluding those who may not have strong critical reasoning skills or understanding of the Internet really seems contradictory.

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• ThorrJo@lemmy.sdf.org ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

  Do you have the same level of confidence in children and people who are deeply mentally ill?

  This instance, which you are not a member of, is for adults who can decide what they want to read for themselves.

  Maybe you should stick to discussing issues about the instance you’re actually on, instead of wasting people’s time in discussions which don’t involve you.

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  • PoliticalAgitator@lemm.ee ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

    Don’t worry, you’re the smartest adult in the room so if my comments are upsetting you (in a way racist extremism doesn’t), just don’t read them.

    It’s fascinating that this solution of yours is apparently only for other people reading far-right extremism.

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