The Astronomer CEO's Coldplay Concert Fiasco Is Emblematic of Our Social Media Surveillance Dystopia

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• KingThrillgore@lemmy.ml ⁨8⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

  lol they not like us

  He got caught dipping his pen in company ink, I’ve seen it happen to staff lower on the totem pole.

  Its exactly what needed to happen.

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• Alphane_Moon@lemmy.world ⁨8⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

  So this is what all this “kiss cam at Coldplay concert is about”. Pretty dull stuff.

  One thing to note with facial recognition and security cameras is that you can’t put the genie back in the bottle.

  Another thing is that there are legitimate uses for extensive surveillance (catching spies, assasins and collaborators when your country is being invaded). While this is a somewhat extreme example, there are legitimate use cases outside of war time too.

  It’s up to us as voters to elect governments that do not abuse surveillance technology.

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  • rottingleaf@lemmy.world ⁨8⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

    It’s up to us as voters to elect governments that do not abuse surveillance technology.

    Surveillance technology is only feedback.

    There’s also the regulator which uses that feedback. It’s means of regulation are bots, properly formed news, law policies, and raw action. Probably even targeted murders.

    That system together affects whom “we as voters” elect. Because we are too many to organize, while for regulation our numbers and diversity are actually favorable, to treat us all as one object.

    Which means that electoral democracy is dead. Direct democracy with nationwide mandatory participation and rotational sortitioned filling of state roles requiring a working individual (like conscription where you can’t refuse or it’s a process requiring some proof of good reasons) may work.

    To increase as much as possible the technical complexity of influencing a society like an object.

    One can also (with reservations and limitations and very careful design) look at the Soviet system (one that really functioned in early 20s and late 80s).

    The key is nationwide participation. Electing someone else to represent you is just too risky with such crowd control means as available today.

    While the technology can be made public-controlled in the widest sense, so that not only a certain JD Vance could see where you are at every moment, but that you could see where he is as well. All state surveillance should be public. And there should be no state secrets.

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    • Samskara@sh.itjust.works ⁨8⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

      Swiss direct democracy is a better example than Soviet system.

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• HailSeitan@lemmy.world ⁨8⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

  The schismogenesis in the comments and downvotes here is wild: “dystopia is good when it hurts scumbags”—um, no, both can be bad??

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• conicalscientist@lemmy.world ⁨8⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

  So this article went over everyone’s head??? The surveillance apparatus is the that they were able to be identified immediately. You guys prove the authors point. It’s so normalized it doesn’t seem out of place. Not only that they were blasted around the world just as fast.

  The witch hunt is self evident but I suppose I need to be blunt. It’s because they’re deemed worthy of your scorn. So you accept the dystopian surveillance state because in this instance it has served your purpose.

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  • nialv7@lemmy.world ⁨8⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

    Lol you really think a CEO, of a billion dollar company no less, being recognized on camera is “emblematic” of anything.

    Don’t pretend they are like us.

    Yes surveillance capitalism is ruining the society, but this is not it. Surprising bad take from 404media.

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    • KingThrillgore@lemmy.ml ⁨8⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

      They not like us

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  • squaresinger@lemmy.world ⁨8⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

    The main problem I see here is that people still don’t seem to understand what “public” means.

    That applies to doing shit in public, but also posting shit publically.

    If you do something in the open, expect that people will see it.

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    • Samskara@sh.itjust.works ⁨8⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

      You should be able to enjoy a concert without being put on display.

      I don’t want my picture taken when I’m high as fuck and make out with strangers while partying.

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    • sem@lemmy.blahaj.zone ⁨8⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

      See it, sure. But as a society we used to have an expectation of anonymity, for better or worse.

      If there was a video of you dancing funny in public, maybe your friends would recognize you, but the whole world wouldn’t know your identity and remember it forever.

      Shit, my workplace couldn’t even identify the people who walked in the front door and stole stuff and walked out. The police could see their faces clearly in the security footage, but they weren’t from around here and no one knew who they were.

      Society used to be like that.

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  • rottingleaf@lemmy.world ⁨8⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

    So you accept the dystopian surveillance state because in this instance it has served your purpose.

    Divide et impera.

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  • db2@lemmy.world ⁨8⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

    So they were identified by a government agency or an entity acting within that scope?

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    • Samskara@sh.itjust.works ⁨8⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

      Surveillance capitalism knows more about you than government agencies.

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    • conicalscientist@lemmy.world ⁨8⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

      dystopian surveillance state

      There I fixed it.

      Go to reddit and stay there if you want to debase yourself with this obtuse nonsense. Otherwise grow up.

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• angelmountain@feddit.nl ⁨8⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

  I don’t really want to be filmed everywhere, especially when it’s later on broadcasted to the entire world. I want to be able to do stupid stuff without other people knowing.

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  • FriendBesto@lemmy.ml ⁨8⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

    This type of camera use at concerts or stadiums is decades. Although I agree with you, the biggest concern are things like Nest cameras that film random people walking on the street. Or general government surveillance.

    In the UK, some guy got arrested because he refused to show his face on a street surveillance camera on principle.

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  • WhyJiffie@sh.itjust.works ⁨8⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

    same. but that ship has sailed, forever.

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  • IphtashuFitz@lemmy.world ⁨8⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

    Well then don’t do stupid stuff in public. This idiot could have been busted just as easily by somebody with a mobile phone and a social media following.

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    • HailSeitan@lemmy.world ⁨8⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

      That’s literally the point of the article?

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• gravitas_deficiency@sh.itjust.works ⁨8⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

  Lmfao no it’s not. It’s emblematic of CEOs being a category of people that correlate strongly with NPD and psycho/sociopathy. And it’s also emblematic of having a 0/10 poker face. It wouldn’t have gone viral if he had just stopped grabbing her tit (because on the Jumbotron) and doing a shy little chuckle together and keeping their shit together.

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• db2@lemmy.world ⁨8⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

  No it isn’t. Plenty of other things are, but not that one.

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  • garretble@lemmy.world ⁨8⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

    Yeah I agree.

    Had this couple just not freaked out, it wouldn’t have gotten as much traction. Perhaps even the person who took the video and posted it may not have if it was just a “normal” reaction.

    I mean, the guy is a piece of shit. And she is too if she’s knowingly having a relationship with a married person, presumably without the consent of his wife who she probably knows.

    But this particular thing I don’t think is emblematic of anything other than the FO after the FA.

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    • acosmichippo@lemmy.world ⁨8⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

      or even if the dude was just not draped all over the lady in a public arena with tens of thousand of other people.

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  • robolemmy@lemmy.world ⁨8⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

    Yeah, people mostly seem to enjoy those crowd cams. If it’s emblematic of anything it would be something about attention-seeking behavior.

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