Submitted 1 year ago by snacks@feddit.uk to unitedkingdom@feddit.uk
Is this the vegan utopia we’ve been dreading? You don’t win friends with salad
I wish more people would get it in their heads that you don’t need to give up meat and go completely vegan to have an impact. Even if everyone just cut their red meat intake in half, it would go such a long way towards fixing the environment. But too many people see it as an all-or-nothing situation.
I'm a flexitarian myself and I wish more people would just do that, just realise that they're eating too much meat for their health anyway and cut it down to 2 or 3 times a week.
The problem is that I literally do not known what to eat.
I live in a 3rd would country, so my grocery selection is a bit limited compared to what it was when I lived in the states.
I can easily get meat and core vegetables, but I don’t think I can just eat broccoli all week. Especially since a stick of broccoli is not expensive or the same price as meat.
Ultimately with humans it’s really time consuming to enact behavioural change. The rate of human behaviour change is slower than the rate of destruction of the planet (also individual human change is going to do diddly squat when McDonald’s keeps McDonald’sing and the Kardashians keep travelling in their private jets)
Meanwhile, cargo ships burn bunker fuel with impunity.
Stop trying to pin responsibility for global warming on the little people. The rich created this disaster, and the rich are the only ones who can turn it around.
Unfortunately, they’d rather build themselves opulent underground shelters where they’ll hang out while the rest of humanity dies.
We’re screwed, there’s nothing we can do to save ourselves, and we may as well live it up and hope we check out before it gets really ugly.
From the article, food production is responsible for a third of global greenhouse gas emission. And a rich person doesn’t eat that much more than a regular person. Except they probably eat more meat.
So, yeah, reducing the amount of meat you eat can really help!
Whilst generally I agree with you, I disagree with this defeatist mindset when it comes to eating meat.
I think you’re underestimating how big an impact the meat industry has on the climate, and you’re underestimating the power “regular people” have with regards to eating less.
The meat industry exists because we eat loads of it. If we eat less of it, the meat industry will become smaller as a capitalistic reaction.
And no, I’m not a vegan. I eat meat every day because (and this is not a valid excuse) I’m a bodybuilder and eating loads of chicken every day is an easy way to get protein. That said, I do believe that 200 years from now society will look back at our consumption of real meat as barbaric. Synthesised lab-grown meat will happen eventually, and sadly it’ll probably take that for society as a whole to change. Hopefully humanity will survive to see the day!
I think you’re underestimating how big an impact the meat industry has on the climate, and you’re underestimating the power “regular people” have with regards to eating less.
The meat industry exists because we eat loads of it. If we eat less of it, the meat industry will become smaller as a capitalistic reaction.
That would only delay the end of the world, not prevent it. It would be a huge and mostly senseless sacrifice.
If it wasn't for rampant consumerism there'd be fewer cargo ships.
“Rampant consumerism” isn’t the problem. Lack of meaningful alternatives is the problem. Everything is made overseas, and everyone is too broke to afford locally-made products even if they did exist.
I’d totally agree with banning cruise ships too.
I thought cruise ahips were relatively efficient because of the density of passengers? I guess I just assumed and didn’t really look into it
And China contributes around 32% toward it too. But China isn't gonna listen and just keep doing their bullshit and ruining lives and the environment.
The CO2 per capita produced in China is significantly less than the CO2 per capita produced in most first world countries.
Even if an average first world person decides to eat no meat at all, they’re still gonna cause more CO2 emission than an average chinese person.
This isn’t to be blamed on China.
They are experiencing record heatwaves so it might be getting their attention. Their population is huge so if they become uncomfortable it's a powerful force for change
Can’t say I’m dreading a ‘utopia’, vegan or otherwise…
Misleading headline right? if one person stopped eating meat it would clearly not be like taking 8 million cars off the road, if everyone on earth stopped eating meat then 8 million cars would be a drop in the ocean. So… the headline means what even you want it to mean.
One line under the headline:
“Having big U.K. meat-eaters cut some of it out of their diet would be like taking 8 million cars off the road,”
Here is the serious headline:
www.science.org/doi/10.1126/science.aba7357
Global food system emissions could preclude achieving the 1.5° and 2°C climate change targets
This is the second time in two days where I’ve complained about a headline and someone has taken that to mean I don’t understand the content.
I was complaining about the headline.
Exactly. Getting billions of people to stop eating meat is surely going to be harder than getting 8 million cars off the road.
Exactly
That’s really not my point. Climate change is a serious matter and needs to be treated
Article is just focused on the UK. So is more like getting 40million people to reduce their meat consumption (not stop) vs getting 8million UK cars off the road.
They’re not saying people should stop eating meat entirely, they’re saying people should eat less i.e. swapping a burger with a bean casarole once a week or something. This is not a binary all-or-nothing situation. Every little helps, as they say.
I dunno… I do like eating a lot of meat…
fireweed@lemmy.world 1 year ago
I hate these headlines. Know what else would be like taking 8 million cars off the road? TAKING 8 MILLION CARS OFF THE ROAD. But instead of talking about transportation alternatives or better land use that reduces car dependence the article focuses on something completely unrelated, as if car use is some kind of immutable constant.
thatwill@lemmy.world 1 year ago
Why not both?
starlinguk@kbin.social 1 year ago
Because muh steak.
Which reminds me, I recently had a fantastic falafel kebab.
Borkingheck@lemmy.world 1 year ago
It is far easier to reduce meat consumption over reducing car consumption. It is an immutable constant. Hence the constant comparison.
fireweed@lemmy.world 1 year ago
I completely disagree.