Submitted 1 year ago by moddy@feddit.de to selfhosted@lemmy.world
Not really about selfhosting, but I read that a lot of selfhosters do not selfhost their emails. Should have pop/imap.
I am thinking about iCloud that offers 3 aliases, but actually I need 5. Does iCloud has a catchall-option?
mailbox.org and skiff are „too expensive“ with 3€/month.
migadu is another candidate. 19€/year.
I once read about a cheap one-man-show-E-Mail-provider, that I would like to try, but I can‘t remember the name.
Do you have more suggestions?
Moved from ProtonMail to iCloud+ last year since I was already paying for iCloud+. Proton’s lack of IMAP support on mobile devices is another reason I left. Their reason for that is privacy, which I understand. Privacy is important to me, but this is email we’re talking about. It will never be private considering the majority of people we email use Gmail, Outlook, etc.
All that being said, iCloud+ has been solid for email. No major issues at all on my end. The spam filter is quite strict for me, but I would consider that a good thing.
Same here, iCloud+ works great for me, the domain setup was painless and you can even create multiple aliases & inboxes and share the domain with your iCloud Family if you have one.
I’ll vouch for iCloud+ too, and it does have a catch-all that you can set up
Another same reply. There is a catch-all now but there wasn’t originally.
I’ve been using purelymail. 10 dollars a year and you can add as many domains and make as many accounts as you want.
Not sure why I see this one recommended so much. Seems like it’s run by just one dude who won’t always be able to respond to support requests, security issues and other emergencies in the time frames you’d want with such a service. I really wouldn’t want to bet my ability to securely access/send/receive important emails on that one person in Delaware not randomly getting hit by a car or something.
Yeah, I didn’t know it was just one person. That doesn’t really feel umm… safe for something like email.
Serious question - as a normie I’m usesd to - Email Provider=Domain.
Google = @gmail.
ProtonMail = @protonmail
How does custom domains play into this? Does using a custom domain for mail requires a special entry in the DNS record?
Magnets, how do they work?
Yeah they give you the DNS records to add to your domain
This looks pretty great. How long have you been using it for? I am using FastMail for quite a while, but I don’t use web interface, or calendar / contacts syncing (have my own nextcloud server for those), so just need email. Its’ pretty pricey compare to purelymail.
I’ve been using it for around a year
I’ve been using www.migadu.com - can recommend
mailbox.org and skiff are „too expensive“ with 3€/month.
Ah... I do use mailbox.org and I've self-hosted with docker-mailserver before.
I agree, selfhosting mail is a really big pain, and at least where I live most ISPs don't open the ports necessary for mailservers, so I had to spin up my own server & it was more expensive than just using a mail provider
I'm happy with mailbox.org; the Standard Tier price is 2.50 Euro/mo if paid in full if that helps. Probably not the cheapest option especially since it's not unlimited, but they do allow domain matches at Standard tier or above, and there are other goodies like calendar/video conferencing/cloud storage & stuff.
yea also custom domain with catch-all + custom rules on mailbox.org is hilariously powerful and allow you to use an own email address + its own folder for every website without actually creating any alias beforehand
I also have a hard time understanding how 2,5€ a month is to expensive for someone who most likely owns Apple devices since iCloud is really awful to use without at least one Apple device
I use protonmail with their family plan, it’s not terribly priced when you consider it comes with calendar, vpn, and drive storage as well. The biggest annoyance is probably that you have to use their mobile apps due to the encryption and they are not the greatest, but it does encrypt everything which I find outweighs the forced use of just their app.
I have used Fastmail for years now and it's always worked well. I use it with Mac/iOS. It has everything.
+1 for Fastmail.
I’ve been using it for about 3 years. I’m on the Standard plan (middle tier). It’s $4.20/mo. per user when prepaying for 3 years and ranges up to $5.40/mo. for monthly billing.
Not sure if there’s a (practical) limit on domains or aliases, but I have 7 domains and a few aliases plus a wildcard. Includes 30GB of storage per user.
I use my own domain in iCloud since 6 month or so and it works with no issue. After setting up in iCloud you can turn on/off the „catch all“ option.
MXroute personal tier is 10GB combined for unlimited domains and addresses (aliases) with IMAP/POP3. It’s $49 USD per year, or $99 USD for lifetime service.
Mxroute is great. It just works, and there’s no sneaky fees, upsells, or any other bullshit.
That one man is mxroute
Try mxroute.com. Full price is already not bad, and they have ridiculously cheap promos around December.
I'll second that. I've been using them for 4 or 5 years, and have been pleased.
There even was a day where there was an outage for my server, and they made it right by giving everyone credits roughly equal to 3 years of service or something. I thought that was overkill, and I guess they'll take a loss on it, but... the instincts are nice. It seems like a place where it's some dude taking care of servers, rather than a giant corporation who is more focused on extracting money than providing a great service for a reasonable cost.
You don’t need a mail server if all you want is a custom email domain. You can just use something like CloudFlare DNS to have them forward all emails to your domain to another private email address (e.g. Gmail).
I’m with Migadu at the moment and I find it quite agreeable so far. There is a free, no credit card trial if you want to try it out. They’re Swiss, hosting in France, if you want your data on EU grounds and not the US for a better privacy.
Same here, works fine for me. The only hitch dor me was that sending from one of domains to another of mine counts towards outgoing mails. Changed the recipient afterwards, everything’s shiny now!
I’ve been using Zoho for email on my domain. My residential service blocks port 25 so being actually self hosted wasn’t going to work. I had rented a cheap VPS for $4/mo to run it on, thinking I’d have other uses for it. Eventually I just went to the Zoho free email hosting with my domain. It’s been fine for years and I’m reasonably sure it has a catch-all as well.
zoho
Please excuse me if this is just extra info. Just wanted to chime on Zoho. It has been excellent for me and lowest tier is very cheap (gives protocols for external access without browser)
I use mailbox.org for a few years. They are a privacy-focused provides out of Germany. They aren't restrictive on the app you use, like proton, and offer an integrated PGP-signing solution.
What’s PurelyMail like? They seem very cheap.
Here are a couple of links to help you get a better idea of what purelymail is like:
I’m in the process of trying it out for a year before I switch over fully. Have yet to run into any issues but I’m not a heavy email user.
I haven’t seen anyone recommend Infomaniak Mail. I think it’s great option. It’s €1.50/month for 5 mailboxes with unlimited storage. You can add multiple domains and mailbox aliases for free. (no limit on either as far as I can tell) You get calendar and contacts as well. They also offer entire office suite, but that’s going to cost more.
They offer pretty good webmail interface, that’s not just Roundcube or other OSS webmail solutions. (which are okay, but usually limited by the fact that it’s IMAP on the backend) They offer apps for mobile calendar/contact sync and they also have (quite new, but already very good IMO) email app. These are all open source. You obviously have IMAP, CalDAV and such if you want to use your own client.
It’s not some one man show provider, they are pretty big cloud provider in Switzerland. So you also get custommer support that from my experience is pretty fast to respond.
You can use posteo for 1€ a month. For more aliases look at mozmail (mozilla) or simplelogin. Or try runbox if you dont care about encryption at rest
I am thinking about iCloud that offers 3 aliases, but actually I need 5. Does iCloud has a catchall-option?
Yes they have a catch all option, setup took a minute for me using my domain setup in Cloudflare, Apple’s documents/guided setup made it a breeze and it’s been rock solid.
Proton does have SMTP via Protonmail Bridge
I’ve been using Posteo with my own domain for a few years.
You do need an email forwarder in addition to the hosting since, as you noticed, they don’t support that use-case natively.
My DNS provider, LuaDNS, does that for me. I pay for their Basic tier (US$29/year) but only because I’m using a lot more than what the free tier provides. I did get away with free for about a year though, so that could in fact be sufficient for you, if you decide to go that route.
Sounds interesting. Never heard before. On their page I see the “ksuite standard” for free with 2 emails/15GB. The next upgrade to 5 adresses/3TB(!) would be 3,29€.
Just switched to iCloud last week. Yes, it does catch-all (although it needs to be enabled through a checkbox in one of the settings menu). It also does sub-addressing / plus-addressing natively (no menu setting needed), which doesn’t seem to actually be documented but it works flawlessly for me.
I’ve been extremely happy with it so far. Pairing plus addressing with some of the filtering rules allows me to direct bulk mail to the right place automatically. For whatever reason, filtering rules can’t be done on iOS but need to be set through icloud.com (not sure if they can be set on macOS).
@JoeHill it’s rather odd how it works, as there are rules in the Mail app on macOS and they do sync. But you can only access and adjust those rules on a Mac and they only evaluate when the app is running on a Mac. It’s definitely something I wish they would add and integrate throughout all the iCloud ecosystem
I use forwarding service to send everything to my family’s standard gmail accounts. Everyone just gets a full subdomain and short address.
This gets you your own address, but it probably isn’t what people in the self-hosting community have in mind.
Ocelot@lemmies.world 1 year ago
Im pretty happy with protonmail. Email is kind of important you may not want to go with the cheapest option.
Jarmer@slrpnk.net 1 year ago
Another vote for the proton services. Been with them for years and very happy.