Submitted 23 hours ago by Irelephant@lemm.ee to fediverse@lemmy.world
Just realised this, most mastodon users who have had experience with groups think they are just bots that auto-boost any posts they are mentioned in.
This is kinda annoying me.
Because that’s what’s mastodon groups are (e.g. the a.gup.pe). Mastodon doesn’t have actual native groups, so bots-as-groups is a work around.
Mastodon doesn’t fully federate with Lemmy, so while you can partially interact with Lemmy users and communities, you can’t meaningfully partake in conversations here.
Yes, when you edit a forumverse post (lemmy, mbin, piefed) it boosts those poste, create several duplicate and pollute their timeline.
So it is either a bot or a bug for them. If you are on mastodon, try subscribing to @fediverse@lemmy.world and edit them.
Futhermore, comments aren't grouped in the post. They are separated from their parent element. And you need to crawl back the comment to find its original post.
I hope mastodon support the forumverse. The iceshrimp devs, currently rewritting iceshimp in C#, are working on it.
They have groups on their roadmap.
misskey is (slowly) adding federation to their groups.
Yes, mastodon will add it. Currently the closest group they have is the forumverse and a.gup.pe.
Iceshrimp is a fork of firefish a misskey fork. But once they finish the rewritting it won't be a fork anymore.
Here is their roadmap : https://issues.iceshrimp.dev/issue/ISH-191/Magazines-support
And we know one of their dev. He is on the matrix group of jlai.lu and he confirmed working on lemmy and PieFed support. So by the end of this year we should see a tremendous activity. 😍
Yeah that sounds like a bug in how they handle the incoming events.
Futhermore, comments aren’t grouped in the post. They are separated from their parent element. And you need to crawl back the comment to find its original post.
if you use a client like Phanpy things become much better from that point of view. Strongly suggested
Like the @a.gup.pe ones? They are kind of autoboost bots, but they do have communities behind them and it’s annoying when people treat them like hashtags.
But I’d not use the term bots. They’re more like old-fashioned email reflectors: a message goes in, and it then gets sent to everyone on the list.
I wouldn’t say they are, but its just how they appear to people on mastodon.
Is this not basically true, that that is how group federation works? Not sure what exactly you are trying to say.
They think they’re just bots, not actual groups with a community behind them.
there are groups on mastodon?
You can post to them from mastodon. If you mention one (like @fediverse@elmmy.world) in a post.
Honestly, I tried to understand them but I failed. I don’t see how a group, from the twittoverse perspective is different from the use of a hashtag, be it agupe group or Lemmy community.
But I would love to hear your explanation and pass it on to the next people who will not understand it.
Hashtags are designed for anyone to post to, with no control over who can post to it.
Communities can be moderated, often have rules and an actual community/culture behind them.
Communities can be moderated Good point. Does moderation action fediverse well from Lemmy to the twittoverse?
That’s because from a mastodon perspective, that’s what they are!
They’re basically the same thing as gup.pe groups to them
Paid_in_cheese@lemmings.world 23 hours ago
The closest thing to groups we have on mastodon really are just boost bots. It’s pretty annoying that mastodon doesn’t have more. But it’s pretty understandable that mastodon users would assume that.
I’m guessing the issue is with mastodon users at-ing multiple communities on Lemmy/etc creating unnecessary cross posts / duplicates?
Irelephant@lemm.ee 23 hours ago
Its not really an issue, since most people aren’t aware of the threadiverse, but people do think they are just glorified hashtags.