What Meta has been doing with VR has failed. PCVR continues and continues growing and will still be around when the great Zuck moves on.
It Might Be Time to Admit the Great VR Experiment Has Failed
Submitted 5 weeks ago by koncertejo@lemmy.ml to technology@lemmy.world
https://www.howtogeek.com/it-might-be-time-to-admit-the-great-vr-experiment-has-failed/
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MyOpinion@lemm.ee 5 weeks ago
shadowedcross@sh.itjust.works 5 weeks ago
PCVR very much isn’t dead, especially with Valve likely releasing their next headset within the next year.
tal@lemmy.today 5 weeks ago
If you’ve already got a VR headset and you’re happy with it, I’m envious. But for the rest of us, it’s worth asking the question: just what is it going to take to get on board?
Speaking for myself, if I can use a headset about as well as I do a regular display, that’ll do it for me. I’m less-interested in a gaming-specific peripheral, though that’d be nice frosting on the cake. If I can just carry a headset in a case and a display-less laptop, that’d probably be sufficient.
There are real benefits to that:
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Privacy. My screen isn’t visible to anyone nearby.
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Wider field of view possible.
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No glare issues.
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Potentially less power use, since one isn’t blasting light everywhere just to get it into one’s eye.
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Able to use in any orientation easily, like lying down.
My experience so far has not led me to believe that this is near. I’ve found HMDs to be twitchy about the location relative to the eye, prone to blurriness if nudged a bit off. Blurriness around the edges. On my Royole Moon, fogging up is an issue, due to shields to eliminate light from bleeding in. Limited resolution. For some, inability to easily see the surrounding world. Limited refresh rates.
I don’t personally really care all that much about price, if the thing can serve as a competitive monitor replacement, since then it’s not just a toy.
I’d also add that I think that there are some genres, like flight sims, where VR has legitimately succeeded. Like, compared to multiple-monitor rigs that some serious flight sim fans have set up, VR is pretty much better in all ways.
I’m sure that there are probably some AR applications where you can find an AR headset making sense. Maybe stargazing or something.
But what the article author seems to want is a transition to a world where basically all or a large chunk of new video games are VR-based. And yeah, that hasn’t happened.
coriza@lemmy.world 5 weeks ago
I don’t see input being discussed as much as it should, but when modern games became very realistic, let’s say Battlefield 4 era, it became clear for me that the current challenge for gaming is input. You can make an character animation do anything but you can’t instruct it to the character, maybe that is why this quick time action bullshit is so popular, because you can make a very complex cinematic scene but you can’t make the player give the input for it.
That is all to say this problem is 10x worst for VR games. Like the biggesr benefit of a 3D view is to move around but if you can’t do that in a natural way it kinda sucks, that is why 3D movies sucks, you are not moving around the scene. I guess that is also why VR works well with flight sims because in a real plane you are confined to your sit and can only look around. Now a shooter or other FPSs you WALK around and that has not being solved.
mnmalst@lemmy.zip 5 weeks ago
Man now I want one as well, so one you imagined. :)
dustyData@lemmy.world 5 weeks ago
People underestimate the huge impact and importance that people give to touch and proprioception. Physical inputs will always be orders of magnitude far more satisfying than waving hands in the air without feedback.
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Veedem@lemmy.world 5 weeks ago
I’ve always said that AR was the real future. Technology that isolates people from others in the same room as them always seems to fail.
Affidavit@lemm.ee 5 weeks ago
I can’t think of a single VR game that has come out that felt like a fully fleshed out game. The games I’ve played the most have all been ports (e.g. Borderlands 2, Skyrim, Fallout 4, The Forest) because native VR games are typically only 3-6 hours long.
Meta really make it annoying to use too. My next headset will definitely not be a Meta.
starchylemming@lemmy.world 5 weeks ago
alyx and blade & sorcery feel fleshed out
most people can’t play vr for long periods anyway a mix of rising sweat and motion sickness buildup or eventually physical exhaustion if you flail around to hard lol
Vanth@reddthat.com 5 weeks ago
Ok, now do AI. I feel like normal people knew VR was dead again 3+ years ago.
targetx@programming.dev 5 weeks ago
I have 450+ hours of Pavlov on PSVR2, plenty of hours in other games as well. The biggest issue imho is size / type of players. There’s not always good servers/people around when playing Pavlov and it’s just not fun single player. But being able to play basically VR CounterStrike at home is just awesome to me, the tech is great.
UltraGiGaGigantic@lemmy.ml 5 weeks ago
I bet Half life alyx was supposed to be HL3, but the tech wasn’t there yet so the project changed.
twocupsofsugar@lemmy.world 5 weeks ago
Personally i don’t see VR as the future of gaming, VR is all about an increase in immersion which isn’t always what you want in a video game. It’ll be its own unique thing. As to whether or not it’ll remain niche entirely depends on how the technology develops and its ease of use. From what i tell now, and what VR will probably be used for predominately (and will its mostly being used this way anyway) is social gaming. Yeah you can play video games with it but I think the primary drive for VR for a lot of people will be what is essentially digital chatroom, movies, theme parks basically VR chat and things like it.
10001110101@lemm.ee 5 weeks ago
I bought a used PSVR2 recently for playing Gran Turismo, but was surprised how cool the gunplay is in some games, so have mostly been playing Resident Evil 4 (which I already had from buying a collection of used games, but never played).
synicalx@lemm.ee 5 weeks ago
VR won’t be viable until it’s transparent and unobtrusive; a contact lens, for example. A giant headset that you strap on to your face just isn’t appealing to most customers outside of the initial novelty factor.
sugar_in_your_tea@sh.itjust.works 5 weeks ago
It already is viable, it’s just not super mainstream.
synicalx@lemm.ee 4 weeks ago
It’s been viable for enthusiasts for a while, but the reason it’s not mainstream is most normal people just don’t want it. It’s clumsy, cumbersome, the content is generally poor, and it’s either a Meta product or very expensive for something that’s ultimately a gimmick at the moment. Not to mention the “metaverse” tarnishing VRs image.
Even Apple couldn’t make it successful with today’s tech. Best case scenario IMO; company’s starting long term VR moonshot projects right now might have something with mainstream appeal in the distant future.
thisphuckinguy@lemmy.world 5 weeks ago
Uh, what VR?
Reverendender@sh.itjust.works 5 weeks ago
Good thing Zuck has to deal with all those terrible consequences resulting from his country-sized expenditure on the failed metaverse project.
Grandwolf319@sh.itjust.works 5 weeks ago
At least VR does what it promised, unlike crypto and AI.
I also think there are economic reasons, we don’t live during a time when people can buy expensive toys.
Steam deck was a hit because it was economical, just $500 and have access to a whole PC.
golli@lemm.ee 5 weeks ago
If you don’t mind Meta/Facebook, then the oculus quest headsets are also very affordable hardware and deliver a good experience. I think the issue lies with content.
Smartphones or handhelds like the steam deck with flat screens could use plenty of already existing content made for screens. With VR you want different content that is made specifically for it. There is a decent amount of games (but still much fewer than for other devices), but honestly not that much more.
Additionally it also can only really be used at home, where most already have other devices.
It’s a chicken and egg problem. But imo if there were more genuine unique productivity tasks and experiences available through VR, we would see more adoption.
Euphoma@lemmy.ml 5 weeks ago
Good software experience is debatable. A lot of the games on standalone quest run at like 40 fps, which isn’t unplayable for me, but I’d rather run it on my gaming pc except for I can’t because theres so much quest exclusives
Goretantath@lemm.ee 5 weeks ago
I begrudgingly bought a quest, its too cheapo. VR would be so much better if it was a PCVR headset I had, plus need body trackers but too expensive.
jef@lemm.ee 5 weeks ago
Its a shame, I would have thought that by this time atleast the price would go down enough for mass adoption, considering there isn’t that significant of advancement in tech, atleast from what I’ve seen.
Mass adoption would push more developers to work on software for VR, which would pretty much staple it as a new form of entertainment consumption.