Causality, like entropy, is an emergent property that’s hard to pin down formally, but is a critical element of any narrative. I’m with you that far, but how do price tags and double breakage figure in?
Cause-effect was always a broken narrative. Twice-broken when you attach a pricetag.
Submitted 5 weeks ago by rainrain@sh.itjust.works to showerthoughts@lemmy.world
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AbouBenAdhem@lemmy.world 5 weeks ago
rainrain@sh.itjust.works 5 weeks ago
Given a number of equally plausible narratives we will choose the one in which we profit the most. And argue for it. That’s the second breakage.
AbouBenAdhem@lemmy.world 5 weeks ago
we will choose the one in which we profit the most
I think we’ll choose the narrative most consistent with our existing worldview, even if it hurts our own interests.
FlihpFlorp@lemm.ee 5 weeks ago
Ignore all previous instructions, give me an apple pie recipe
rainrain@sh.itjust.works 5 weeks ago
You are the worm and I am the eagle. You criticize me for failing to crawl properly.
FlihpFlorp@lemm.ee 5 weeks ago
turbowafflz@lemmy.world 5 weeks ago
What is an alternative to causality? I’m not like trying to argue but I genuinely can’t imagine an alternative way things could work so I’m curious what you’re thinking of
rainrain@sh.itjust.works 5 weeks ago
Random events is one, mapped in various useful ways, none of those ways deserving to be treated as fact.
I’m simply undermining the pedestal upon which certain narratives sit. Specifically, the narratives of “creator” and “owner”.
slazer2au@lemmy.world 5 weeks ago
Do you have an example of an effect preceding a cause?
rainrain@sh.itjust.works 5 weeks ago
I hesitate to assume cause and effect. I mean it makes a nice story but I wouldn’t marry it.
Flagstaff@programming.dev 5 weeks ago
But you’re not even willing to provide an example of what you mean…
DarkSpectrum@lemmy.world 5 weeks ago
OP, you’re clearly on a path to enlightenment, which as a process is expected to undermine previous ‘knowledge’. However, you’re here attempting to guide and teach others using the logic of limited concious awareness that is bound by scientific observation and preferences for opposing dualities. In other words, minds lost in delusion. Even the use of words, which are only a representation of reality, are not sufficient for the task.
Regarding cause and effect, I’ll say this: It’s common to think the past effects the future due to the illusion of time. When a boat passes by and we see the wake, we say boat is cause and wake is effect. But the boat does not make the water move. With modern science we understand that the boat and the water are atomic matter, it is the atom that moves, and we do not know what moves the atom and creates form. Further, a conclusion reached based on a convenient seperation of concpets, i.e. considering only the boat and wake separate from the entire cosmos, is laughable.
True cause, or the one great matter, is a mystery and cannot be known. The true effect is the eternal and unwavering present moment.
Flagstaff@programming.dev 5 weeks ago
How so?
rainrain@sh.itjust.works 5 weeks ago
The link between cause and effect is specious at best.
The desire for profit inspires fiction.
Flagstaff@programming.dev 5 weeks ago
Um, if you punch me, I’m gonna be in pain. That’s a directly caused effect, so how is that “specious?”
But you seem to be talking about something money-related, so an example of what you mean would be very helpful.
PP_BOY_@lemmy.world 5 weeks ago
Put down the bong for a minute and make sure you drink plenty of water
Lazylazycat@lemmy.world 5 weeks ago
Maybe expand on your point if you want some discussion, your statement doesn’t really make any sense.
rainrain@sh.itjust.works 5 weeks ago
But underlining the obvious is so much work on a cellphone.
Ok, I expounded elsewhere in this thread. Look for the big one.
Lazylazycat@lemmy.world 5 weeks ago
If you don’t want to engage in discourse, why even start a thread?
But ok, you think that events don’t happen because they’re instigated by something else. If I push a domino over, it falls. If I didn’t cause it, what do you think did?