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Submitted 6 days ago by maplebar@lemmy.world to fediverse@lemmy.world
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LandedGentry@lemmy.zip 6 days ago
maplebar@lemmy.world 6 days ago
Fair enough, but you sound like the type of bitch-made brat who didn’t return back the everlasting gobstopper. Just saying.
scrubbles@poptalk.scrubbles.tech 6 days ago
Wow I was interested to hear what your opinions were but nevermind after that comment.
singletona@lemmy.world 6 days ago
If nothing else, having activitypub based communities that are by default closed, and maybe over time federate would help bring back something of the smaller communities that we lost when facebook devoured everything.
maplebar@lemmy.world 6 days ago
Come to think of it, even semi-open communities (like the kind that require users to apply to join) could benefit from a user invite code system as an alternate way to get people in without applying.
spankmonkey@lemmy.world 6 days ago
So not closed off as in non-federated, just invite only? So a barrier like the ones that have applications, but based on something other than fiktering who joins the community?
Not only is that counter to the entire point of federation, but invite only approaches only works for closed systems. Nobody is going to wait for an invite when they can just join any server.
Using invites as in outreach to spread awareness without being a silly restriction, sure. Maybe aim at getting people’s interest by promoting some server. But exclusive invites makes zero sense. At best it might work on people who are already here who want a very specific server in their name, not attract new users.
Die4Ever@programming.dev 6 days ago
Nobody is going to wait for an invite when they can just join any server.
well if they look hard enough to realize this then that’s a good thing, so I think it works out
cheese_greater@lemmy.world 6 days ago
We can do both tho. Like Tildes but open if people want to “brave the trouble” of selecting a home instance or whatever.
maplebar@lemmy.world 6 days ago
So not closed off as in non-federated, just invite only?
Yeah. We’re talking about using invites to onboard people onto servers.
So a barrier like the ones that have applications, but based on something other than fiktering who joins the community? Not only is that counter to the entire point of federation, but invite only approaches only works for closed systems. Nobody is going to wait for an invite when they can just join any server.
Would you rather be invited to an event or fill out an application?
There’s way less friction involved in sharing an invite code.
I also don’t think that closed servers are “counter to the entire point of federation”. Federation is about servers talking to other servers, it has nothing to do with how individual servers grow.
And if people don’t care to wait for an invite to join a specific server, and they’d rather take the initiative to join a different server right away, that’s fine too. They’re still in the fediverse either way.
The topic of sharing invite codes is geared towards the type of people who aren’t going to take that initiative in the first place. We get rid of the need for them to understand how the fediverse works by just giving them a ticket into some specific server. They can take it or leave it.
muntedcrocodile@lemm.ee 6 days ago
Interesting idea. I think it defiantly could work
vk6flab@lemmy.radio 6 days ago
So, you are attempting to “solve” analysis paralysis by using invites?
That doesn’t appear to make any sense. It doesn’t really matter which instance someone joins. The whole network is federated. You can access all the content from anywhere.
KoboldCoterie@pawb.social 6 days ago
It does, though, because not every instance federates with every other instance. If someone is coming from Reddit, and they interact with a set of specific subs there, and they want to interact with the analogue communities here, they don’t want to join an instance like, for example Beehaw, that has very strict federation policies, or (probably) .ml or lemmygrad, where they’ll be exposed to stigma they weren’t aware of going in and which might not apply to them.
A list of servers with very open federation could solve this problem in theory, assuming new users knew to reference it, but that might not be what they want, either.
The invite code idea is actually solid, I think, assuming they’re handed out to people who have things in common with the target userbase of the instance, and not arbitrarily.
There’s also some instances that hold united views on specific topics, for example blahaj with trans rights, and someone arbitrarily choosing that instance that doesn’t hold those same views might feel that they don’t fit in.
Obviously anyone can just choose a new instance and move, but for a new user coming in, that’s a ‘quit moment’ in many cases. Giving an invite code to someone that leads them to an instance that at least broadly fits what they’re interested in could help solve for this.
maplebar@lemmy.world 6 days ago
It kind of does matter which instance someone joins, because not everything is federated with everything else.
But that’s not really the point. The point is that potential new users think about joining “Lemmy” only to find a big list of servers that they don’t know anything about, and that scares people away. Giving them an invite removes the need for them to choose anything at all.
AnimalsDream@slrpnk.net 6 days ago
You do you, but why not keep it simple? Friend to friend, just give your peers a link to the same instance you’re on. We can start instance sports teams and find out who wins the tournaments!
3dmvr@lemm.ee 6 days ago
I agree honestly, swapping to invite only being federated together, with onboarding could work, could be abused like anything but itd be a way to avoid trolls in the invite onty servers and figure out whos bringing them im
3dmvr@lemm.ee 6 days ago
I think making your own instance is a big enough barrier to entry to avoid trolls, fediseer exists but has issues if you change your domain but use the same ip.
psyspoop@lemm.ee 6 days ago
If that’s something you want to try out, then set up an instance and try it out.
maplebar@lemmy.world 6 days ago
I’ve never run a fediverse server of any kind, but do Lemmy, Mastodon and the other big projects already support invite-based registration using codes?
Die4Ever@programming.dev 6 days ago
Do Lemmy, Mastodon and the other big fediverse projects already support invite-based registration using codes?
you could just put the invite code into the signup application questionnaire, a server admin can make it say “Invite code here:”
the admins could keep a spreadsheet of the invite codes like in Google Sheets, keep track of who was given the invite code and who received it
psyspoop@lemm.ee 6 days ago
I don’t think Lemmy has it (there is an open issue for invitation links that I don’t believe anyone has worked on). I don’t think MBin or Piefed have it either. Not sure about Mastodon. The beauty of FOSS though is if someone wants it bad enough, they can implement it themselves.
Die4Ever@programming.dev 6 days ago
I think when you give the invite don’t say “Lemmy” just say the name of the server
Zonetrooper@lemmy.world 6 days ago
So, uh… explain to me why we can’t just use invite codes without having the servers closed off? Like yeah, sure, that does make the invite technically redundant, but psychologically it’s still there while retaining openness.
maplebar@lemmy.world 6 days ago
You could.
noodlejetski@lemm.ee 6 days ago
yeah, and Mastodon can already do that