Submitted 1 year ago by db0@lemmy.dbzer0.com to fediverse@lemmy.world
https://socialhub.activitypub.rocks/t/bluesky-decentralisation-and-the-distribution-of/4753?u=db0
I don’t really get all the pessimism. Even if folks are right in saying there’ll be a bait and switch, this is people moving to a new platform en masse. If Bluesky goes to shit there’s more reason to believe users would just move again.
In the meantime, as members of the fediverse, we should be using Bluesky being “decentralized” as a way to ease people into actually decentralized platforms.
I can tell you right now nobody’s on Bluesky because it’s “decentralized” because the evidence is clear, it’s not in practice decentralized lol.
This is all a bloody waste of time. I really wish I could just fast-forward two years into the enshittification when everyone realizes they got duped by Big VC. Again.
Is Bluesky decentralized in any meaningful way? If the company dies, could the service live on?
Define decentralisation
Ok. I want to host my own Bluesky and interact with the bsky.app instance. How?
My guess is Bluesky never intended to be « open » and « federated » and « decentralized « as we understand it
all you have to do is
host your own PDS, where your account lives, this is easy, I do it myself already.
host you own appview: the only actually good appview is bsky’s, luckily it’s open source, unfortunately I do not believe they made it easy to self-host.
Host a relay, this isn’t all that hard, it just needs a real big server (AFAIK it needs a shitton of io throughput), so unless you’re very rich it’s not too realistic to host this.
So yeah, a PDS is easy to host but the other two parts are a pain, and since the protocol has only been open for a few months, people haven’t really done too much.
Frontpage exists, but they haven’t made it be able to interact with bsky.Social, although the accounts are shared. I have been told by people involved with that that that’s an issue with frontpage’s implementation, and not the AT protocol
I wonder which billionaire is going to snap up bluesky once they’ve fattened their crop of highly engaged users
They already owe their livelihoods to Blockchain Capital, and venture capital firm of crypto-bros.
bsky.social/about/blog/10-24-2024-series-a
We’re excited to announce that we’ve raised a $15 million Series A financing led by Blockchain Capital
In other words, the enshittification is coming. Because Bluesky is backed by crypto-bro venture capital.
A lot of hay is being made about Bluesky but despite literal oligarchs taking over the country, I guess rich people dictating how our systems work is what people want because apparently Mastodon is too much to ask of individuals.
We can talk about Bluesky and how great their tech is all we want, but unless we address the elephant in the room, venture capital that wants a return on their investment, we’re just spiraling the same stupid fucking drain.
Maybe Mastodon should take a moment to learn something. Everybody on Reddit is praising all the moderation capabilities of Bluesky, the ability to create block lists and starter packs. The way you can verify your user by using your own domain as a handle.
Instead of complaining about users, which is pointless, make Mastodon better. Users won’t come to Mastodon by shaming them for being stupid.
Everybody on Reddit is praising all the moderation capabilities of Bluesky
Bluesky is an unmoderated space. People don’t seem to know what “moderation” is anymore. It’s not the ability for end users to block other end users.
block lists and starter packs
This is a bigger issue than it seems, because the people building and using the fediverse care very strongly about things like trust and consent, and so discussions around stuff like this get stifled.
It’s not a technological issue with Mastodon. It’s a social one, with the fediverse at large. The place is swarming with people who will openly attack you for making the place more comfortable to less technically adept users, because they themselves were bullied off of Twitter.
Like, this is the real issue the fediverse can’t get traction. People will overcome other hurdles, and develop work arounds for other limitations. But being treated as unwelcome tourists by the people who are already here? No, they won’t do that.
The way you can verify your user by using your own domain as a handle.
This is a core feature of the fediverse. Run your own server, use your own domain. And mastodon offers secondary validation by adding an ID string to your website that it can check and verify.
Well yeah, let’s get the Mastodon devs a cool $15 million so they can hire more devs and compete.
You fail to understand open source. You want it better? Get fucking involved and stop asking people who are coding for free to compete with the code of an organization that has millions in dollars backing them and a team of professional developers.
Either get involved or start dumping money into the Mastodon devs patreon accounts.
Whichever you do is way more constructive than bitching about an open source program made by volunteers and comparing it to a slick corporate product with literally millions backing it and it’s development.
Further, pretty sure block lists were and are available on Mastodon.
Users to VCs in a year or two: curse your sudden but inevitable betrayal
Capitalists need to be regulated (forced) to play nice, without that it’s gonna be the same song, same dance for the rest of time. And it’s not gonna happen anytime soon by the looks of things
blue_berry@lemmy.world 1 year ago
Decentralisation doesn’t necessarily come with decentralized technical infrastructure, but its the basis for it. I’m still betting on ActivityPub.