Using vintage laptops in 2024: How do you make it work?

Submitted ⁨⁨3⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago⁩ by ⁨AusatKeyboardPremi@lemmy.world⁩ to ⁨retrocomputing@lemmy.sdf.org⁩

I have an old ThinkPad T42 coming my way. I plan to use it alongside my daily driver mainly for reading, emacs, and retro gaming. I will be dual booting a lightweight flavour of Linux (TBD) and Windows 98 on it.

However, I am a bit concerned about its ability to handle today’s internet, with all of its heavy websites.

I would love to hear from those of you who are still using old ThinkPads (or other vintage laptops) in 2024. How do you make it work? Do you use lightweight browsers, specific configurations, or lightweight websites to get around the limitations of older hardware?

Are there any specific tips or tricks you can share for getting the most out of an old ThinkPad on the modern web?

Looking forward to hearing about your experiences!

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snekerpimp@lemmy.world ⁨3⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago
Considering it has a pentium, and I have core 2 duos that won’t open some websites, you might run into some issues as well. Can’t fix that, the cpu just doesn’t physically have the instruction set. But other than that, have fun and don’t expect performance greater than a raspberry pi.

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- AusatKeyboardPremi@lemmy.world ⁨3⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago
  Thank you. I do have my expectations in check. That is the reason the machine is restricted to certain activities like reading and writing/journaling.
  
  I was just curious if anyone is using it to browse the web, especially with a combination of lightweight OS and browser.
  
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  - fuckwit_mcbumcrumble@lemmy.dbzer0.com ⁨3⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago
    Based on the heritage foundation leak there’s a non zero number of people out there still using Windows XP. I don’t think anyone was trying to use 98 though.
    
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pmjv@lemmy.sdf.org ⁨3⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago
You correctly pointed out the seemingly only problem, which is indeed internet browsing. In some rare cases you might get away with something like Firefox with disabled javascript, supposing you max out the RAM. But you should look at other light browsers that will make it more viable.

My go-to browser on old machines is luakit, configured to render javascript on demand. When a website you want to visit doesn’t work without javascript, you enable it just for that website and cross your fingers it doesn’t crash. With js disabled, you can browser normally.

Also become friends with FOSS front-ends to popular corpo services. Forget youtube, use invidious (works without js), forget fandom.com, use breeze wiki, etc.

One other thing you need is patience. A lot of it.

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- AusatKeyboardPremi@lemmy.world ⁨3⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago
  Yes. I plan on using a lightweight Linux based OS for daily operations and restrict Windows only to game. I also know Firefox would not cut it, and using an older build of FF is a security risk.
  
  The intention behind making this post was to learn from the community what they do to browse the web on vintage machines, if they even do.
  
  Thank you for pointing me to Luakit and farside.link. I already use alternative front ends like Piped and Nitter but it is nice to see there are many more options.
  
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  - pmjv@lemmy.sdf.org ⁨3⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago
    Frankly, I use links2 for most of my web browsing even on my daily driver (which would by many be considered vintage anyway) and use Firefox for websites that wouldn’t work otherwise, that I absolutely need.
    
    It’s good practice to get used to light software from all walks of life, one might come to realize they don’t need the fancy stuff in their life to use computers.
    
    Good luck.
    
    PS: There’s the #oldcomputerchallenge channel on libera.chat you might want to visit. Many people there who live this lo-end lifestyle on a day-to-day basis, who’d be happy to help.
    
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  - pmjv@lemmy.sdf.org ⁨3⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago
    PPS: here’s my guide on luakit, describing the js on demand and adblocking: …mozz.us/…/2023-05-18-shortys-luakit-guide.txt
    
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hexagonwin@lemmy.sdf.org ⁨3⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago
Use a lightweight browser like SeaMonkey, use a content/JS blocker like uBlock Origin plus uMatrix(eMatrix). Only enable required scripts and such

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- AusatKeyboardPremi@lemmy.world ⁨3⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago
  Thank you. I shall add SeaMonkey to the list of browsers to try out.
  
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jmcunx@lemmy.sdf.org ⁨3⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago
The biggest impact would be to max out the memory. That will not help with browsers like Firefox, but will help with other items.

Plus there is a whole world out there that many people ignore or do not know about, USENET and IRC. Accessing those will work with just about any Thinkpad, no matter how old. Plus there is toot for Mastodon (I need to get that working), but not sure if there is a text utility to access lemmy

I have a Thinkpad which is a bit newer then yours (R51e) with OpenBSD on it. I get by quite well with dillo, links (need to try links2), mutt, tin (USENET) and irssi (IRC). All I did is maxed out memory to 2G. But, I never do banking on the Internet. All I do is need to do is get my pdf bank statement once a month which I use a newer Thinkpad for.

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- AusatKeyboardPremi@lemmy.world ⁨3⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago
  Yes. I do plan to max out the CPU and RAM, and use an SSD.
  
  Thank you for pointing to the software. I am already looking into getting back on IRC thanks to another comment. I will check the rest out.
  
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SynopsisTantilize@lemm.ee ⁨3⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago
I’m using a 4gb ram Celeron accer C720 from like 2013. Linux. That’s all there is to it. SSD if you have SATA 3, max ram out on it, and Linux the fuck out of it. /thread

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DosDude@retrolemmy.com ⁨3⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago
For internet I use TheOldNet proxy. Use the year you want to surf as the port.

Also you can update windows 98 with Windows Update Restored

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- AusatKeyboardPremi@lemmy.world ⁨3⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago
  Thank you sharing about The Old Net. They even have a lite page for systems with limited RAM:
  
  theoldnet.com/lite
  
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Moonrise2473@feddit.it ⁨3⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago
I have a thinkpad t42 and i use it for playing old games with windows xp.

For reading, writing, retro gaming (i even use epsxe on it) it’s ok. Forget anything else unless you’re a masochist.

and imho it’s too new for windows 98, it has been released a decade after that

if you want to browse internet, you’re forced to use modern hardware with modern operating systems. I don’t think that there’s a single website that still works with ie 5 + win98. Even malware won’t even work anymore.

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- wesker@lemmy.sdf.org ⁨3⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago
  
  and imho it’s too new for windows 98, it has been released a decade after that
  
  This is going to be the biggest problem, drivers and compatibility. It’d be a much better experience with XP.
  
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- AusatKeyboardPremi@lemmy.world ⁨3⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago
  Oh I won’t even bother connecting to the web with Windows 98.
  
  When I asked the question I assumed a Linux based OS like Antix or Bunsen.
  
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Nisaea@lemmy.sdf.org ⁨3⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago
I’m still using a netbook from 2011 and with i3 and qutebrowser it’s doing alright :3

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jaredj@infosec.pub ⁨3⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago
I’ve got a Thinkpad 600X (Pentium III, 256MB RAM). I put Debian 12 on it, and the OS is not quite small enough. (NetBSD couldn’t drive my particular CardBus Wifi card, sadly, and 9front couldn’t drive the NeoMagic video properly.) Just Emacs on the console, no X, and eww for web browsing (to your question) and elpher for poking around Gemini. I’m not familiar enough with Thinkpads to know if that’s a useful data point for you.

Nobody’s mentioned www.haiku-os.org yet, so I will. I can’t remember what happened with it on my Thinkpad. There are several graphical browsers there, with a range of capabilities, as well as a port of Emacs.

I guess my real answer is: don’t handle today’s internet with all of its heavy websites? Use the web for documents, and use native applications rather than web apps for other purposes, such as chatting and email.

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- www24@lemm.ee ⁨2⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago
  Out of curiosity, do you use that Pentium III machine to access Lemm.ee? I used a Pentium 4 up until 2017 and some websites (probably due to heavy JS) would make the browsing experience fairly miserable.
  
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  - jaredj@infosec.pub ⁨2⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago
    No, I have not tried that. But I might now. :)
    
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- AusatKeyboardPremi@lemmy.world ⁨2⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago
  Thanks for sharing your experience.
  
  Also, appreciate the intro to Haiku OS, I had not heard of it earlier. It is interesting to read their philosophy through their FAQs.
  
  www.haiku-os.org/about/faq/
  
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vins@lemmy.sdf.org ⁨3⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago
As others pointed out, finding Win98 drivers for that will be quite a challenge. The same probably applies to Windows 2K/Me. If for some reason you don’t like XP, a good alternative for T43 is OS/2 based OSs, starting from 0S/2 Warp 4.52. I tend to prefer supported and maintained software as long as the device is expected to surf the internet, so ArcaOS would be a better alternative.

Linux support for 32-bit x86 is shriking day by day; at this point you’d better install NetBSD on anything i486 onward (but this is just my opinion).

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