Electoral College and The Numbers | USA question

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Submitted ⁨⁨3⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago⁩ by ⁨snausagesinablanket@lemmy.world⁩ to ⁨nostupidquestions@lemmy.world⁩

Hillary Clinton won the popular vote by almost 3 million and still lost.

If Kamala wins the popular vote, how much does she have to win by to flip

the electoral college to her side?

Does it matter what states she wins in if the margins are low?

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Kidplayer_666@lemm.ee ⁨3⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago
Depends fully on what states she wins

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- Snailpope@lemmy.world ⁨3⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago
  This
  
  It’s all about the handful of swing states, 2/3rds of the electoral votes are basically locked it
  
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stinerman@midwest.social ⁨3⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago
This will help you a bit to answer your own question: www.270towin.com You can play with scenarios there.

how much does she have to win by to flip the electoral college to her side?

This misunderstands how our elections work. If you win a state by one vote (offer not valid in Nebraska and Maine), you get all that state’s electoral votes. If you flip several thousand votes in a few states, Trump wins the 2020 election even though Biden had around 7,000,000 more in the popular vote total. Also, if you’re from the UK, Americans are a little idiosyncratic in their voting. A good deal of people do the equivalent of voting for a Tory even if they wanted Labour in power. It’s called vote splitting, and it’s generally a terrible idea.

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- kersploosh@sh.itjust.works ⁨3⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago
  
  If you win a state by one vote (offer not valid in Nebraska and Maine), you get all that state’s electoral votes.
  
  I’m going to pile on to your good answer.
  
  Since you only need 51% to win all of a state’s electoral votes, any additional votes beyond 51% could be considered excess votes that are not helpful. The system awards candidates whose supporters are spread around, and punishes candidates whose supporters are heavily concentrated in a handful of states.
  
  For example, in 2016 Hilary Clinton got 4,269,978 more votes in California than Trump. That’s 4,269,977 more than she needed to win the state. Meanwhile, she lost Michigan by 10,704 votes, lost Pennsylvania by 44,292 votes, lost Florida by 112,912, etc. Hell, she lost Texas by less than a million votes. If Hilary’s supporters in California had been spread around in other states she would have won the national election easily.
  
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  - Dark_Arc@social.packetloss.gg ⁨3⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago
    
    If Hilary’s supporters in California had been spread around in other states she would have won the national election easily.
    
    This is part of why I haven’t left Ohio, have beat back on the argument that “I should just move [to somewhere that’s more politically aligned with my beliefs]” (which I’ve heard that line enough, I fully believe it’s a GOP driven talking point), and I’ve encouraged other left-leaning folks to stay or come back.
    
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- JusticeForPorygon@lemmy.world ⁨3⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago
  I believe this is the last election where Maine will have split electoral votes, since they joined the National Popular Vote Interstate Compact earlier this year.
  
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  - Dark_Arc@social.packetloss.gg ⁨3⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago
    
    National Popular Vote Interstate Compact
    
    That doesn’t do anything until it has enough states that it actually guarantees the person that wins the popular vote, wins.
    
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ReallyActuallyFrankenstein@lemmynsfw.com ⁨3⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago
The practical answer is 3-4% above to counteract the right-wing effect of the electoral college. Yes, it all matters on what states she wins.

The theoretical answer is that Kamala could get less votes, just like Trump did in 2016, and still “win.” It’s not practical because the swing states are more conservative than the median population of the country as a whole, which means it’s extremely unlikely those swing states will vote for Kamala while Trump gets more votes elsewhere.

The places you need to watch are Arizona, Michigan, Wisconsin, Georgia, Pennsylvania, and to a lesser extent Ohio, Minnesota and Florida. The 538 polls will give you a sense of where those states are leading, and you can see different maps here. polling is imperfect, and frankly I can’t take the anxiety of watching that data day-to-day.

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- Dark_Arc@social.packetloss.gg ⁨3⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago
  I wish (as an Ohioan) we could deliver Ohio for 2024. Maybe if Kamala pushes the abortion and democracy point well enough and reassure gun owners that the federal government isn’t going to come for their guns.
  
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FuglyDuck@lemmy.world ⁨3⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago
It doesn’t work that way.

There isn’t a single popular vote. There are 538 votes to be cast, votes distributed to the states based on the most recent census.

Each state then runs an election to determine how their vote is cast. More technically, you’re voting for a specific elector, but given faithless elector laws, it’s defacto a specific candidate.

Most states are all-or-nothing, whoever wins that state gets that state’s full vote count.

To win, it takes 270 electoral votes.

This is why battleground states are so important. Hillary may have gotten more votes nationally, but none of the elections were in fact national. She ignored key battleground states and arrogantly expected to just win them.

Hillary was, and remains, an arrogant fool. Not, it must be said, in the same way Trump is.

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card797@champserver.net ⁨3⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago
Stop worrying yourself with the popular vote. You gotta get them purple states to WIN.

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Cuberoot@lemmynsfw.com ⁨3⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago
It’s hard to predict this in advance, since it’s sensitive to things like voter turnout in non-competitive states. For instance, a blizzard in New England could affect the popular vote without impacting the electoral college vote. So I’ll just tell you how to calculate it.

First, identify the tipping point state. Some guys think it might be Michigan this year. Meaning either candidate can win by winning Michigan and every state more favorable to them than Michigan. Other good guesses are Pennsylvania and maybe Arizona. Then take the difference between a candidate’s margin in Michigan verses their national average.

2020: The tipping point state was Wisconsin. Biden won WI by 0.6% and nationally by 4.5% representing a 3.9% electoral college advantage to the Republican. 2012: The tipping point state was Colorado. Obama won CO by 5.4% and nationally by 3.9% representing a 1.5% electoral college advantage to the Democrat.

So the electoral college doesn’t intrinsically benefit the Republicans, but it probably will this year.

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Donebrach@lemmy.world ⁨3⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago
This is the biggest issue and wool over the eyes of American voters. We only focus on presidential elections even though legally, constitutionally, and o literally the President holds very little power to affect ~change~(not saying the president of the United States is not a powerful individual, and of course that presupposes a Supreme Court that determines rulings based on law and not political ideology but that’s beyond my point).

You know who actually holds literal power at the federal level? Our state reps and senators.

And yet nearly everyone ignores those races and candidates. It IS the fault of the current media landscape and educational system that this is the case.

But we (us citizens) could maybe take 5 minutes to actually pay attention to local elections instead of just yelling about “Me President!” for 1 week evey 4 years.

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