lemmy.world/c/politics@lemmy.ml
This suddenly does not work
The community was removed from lemmy.ml. here’s the reason in the modlog:
Unmoderated duplicate of /c/usa . Any world-related can use /c/worldnews
How come as of today I can't access politics@lemmy.ml from lemmy.world?
Submitted 3 months ago by btaf45@lemmy.world to fediverse@lemmy.world
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kersploosh@sh.itjust.works 3 months ago
TropicalDingdong@lemmy.world 3 months ago
Lemmy & the fediverse needs to be more modular.
We need… something like a “transfer, merge, fork, split” for communities.
For example, if these guys are just going to nuke that content, another instance should have the opportunity to either fork it, or merge it with another community. Its mostly the same stuff as would have been in c/Politics here.
And what it does now, is it puts even more editorial power in the hands of fewer people (ones that ml probably) don’t vibe with.
Classic boneheaded decision.
Blaze@sopuli.xyz 3 months ago
We need… something like a “transfer, merge, fork, split” for communities.
People can do it currently. I’ve done it a few times, for all for cases. You just make an announcement on the community, or on !newcommunities@lemmy.world if you are splitting from a power tripping mod.
btaf45@lemmy.world 3 months ago
Geez I can’t believe a major group was nuked just like that. I never noticed anything about it being unmoderated but thank you for providing the explanation.
empireOfLove2@lemmy.dbzer0.com 3 months ago
Lemmy.ml admins making rash, sweeping decisions that are conveniently harmful to any public discourse? I never would have guessed.
AsakuraMao@moist.catsweat.com 3 months ago
.ml are outwardly and proudly tankie weirdo fuckfaces, doesn't suprise me at all to see them do something like this where the intent is to concentrate all political talk into a more easily controlled community.
empireOfLove2@lemmy.dbzer0.com 3 months ago
Also them directing people to go use world news is telling because the .ml world news community is heavily gatekept by a huge pile of tankies that will crush, remove and ban any remote mention of “Russa/China bad”.
TropicalDingdong@lemmy.world 3 months ago
Seems like lemmy.ml is really collapsing in on itself. Overall not good for the general health of the fediverse. We need large “sibling” instances rather than monoliths like .world, which is to say nothing of the politics of the instance. The fewer “medium” to "large’ instances are, the more reliant the whole system becomes on “very large” monoliths like .world, which overall weakens the integrity of the network.
This also highlights the destructiveness of toxic moderation. There is plenty of it here too, but there needs to be some kind of accountability/ redress if open & free communities are going to be a long term project. Not really a big deal in the long run and something we’ll just have to keep working on.
viking@infosec.pub 3 months ago
This is very good for the health of the fediverse, .ml is home to too many good communities for such a shit instance. Hopefully now more of the mainstream communities on other instances will get more traction, so that we can block .ml and not miss out.
btaf45@lemmy.world 3 months ago
We need large “sibling” instances rather than monoliths like .world, which is to say nothing of the politics of the instance.
Absolutely 1000%
This also highlights the destructiveness of toxic moderation. There is plenty of it here too
I can’t believe that lemmy mods/admins still think they have the luxury of making bone headed moves in a decentralized network. I am determined to get around this and it is the entire reason I am on a decentralized system. We vote with our feet and in the long term it will all work out. I am looking for suggestions for a politics group that is not lemmy.world and not lemmy.ml.
Blaze@sopuli.xyz 3 months ago
Absolutely 1000%
Curious, coming from a LW account
blahsay@lemmy.world 3 months ago
Nah .ml dying is great for the fediverse. Actually the denizens of .ml dying irl would be great for the world too
CrypticCoffee@lemmy.ml 3 months ago
Wow, that’s a pretty discussing comment. You do not agree with a few peoples views, do generalise and want them to die. You’re worse than tankies.
Blaze@sopuli.xyz 3 months ago
What
Lost_My_Mind@lemmy.world 3 months ago
I slightly disagree. I think what needs to happen is there needs to be general instances, and specialized instances. By the nature of how they work, specialized instances would have more content, but less hosted users.
So Lemmy.World would be a general instance. You can host any community on a general instance, but it will do better if it can be hosted on a specialized instance (which most topics can be).
There may be niche topics that will do better on general instances, mostly if it doesn’t fit into any other catagory.
But lets say you want to follow your favorite baseball team. Well, you know Sports.InstanceName has all the sports. So you go there, search for your team and find TeamName@Sports.Instance
And if everybody did this, the fediverse would at least make sense.
But lets say you want a community based on collecting toe nail clippings from the right foots pinky. Well, I can’t imagine a specialized instance would ever be made that you’d include THAT community. So you go to RightFootPinkyToeNailClippings@Lemmy.World and it will have like 3 subscribers.
Now, back to the baseball team for a second. IF you only come to the fediverse to talk baseball, maybe you’re fine being hosted on Sports.Instance. However most people would want their home instant to be a general instance. So that when they click “local” they get a bit of everything, whereas you hosted on the sports instance would only get sports.
The problem I see with the fediverse is there is a HUUUUUUUUGE learning curve. When you first get here, with zero introduction to the concepts of the platform, you’re just thrown in. I’ve even been insulted by people who assumed I didn’t know how the platform worked. Saying “You’re supposed to sort by subscribed, dumbass!”. The thing is, the problem I was describing WAS sorted by subscribed.
The way I’m describing, a new user can know "oh, this is where I find the sports, this is where I find the music, this is where I find the TV, ect ect ect.
You can still make SportsTeam@Lemmy.World, but without people looking for it there, you won’t get many people subscribing unless there’s some MAJOR issue with Sports.Instance.
You could also make Baseball.Instance. whereas Sports.Instance would be more of an all inclusive to all sports instance, which would help smaller sports communities grow, Baseball.Instance would be all about baseball communities.
And if I seem like I’m explaining the obvious, thats good. Thats the point. I want it to be obvious what every instance/community is, where it is, before you even seek it out or click it.
Beevisandbutthead@tv.instance. That doesn’t exist, but even as a hypothetical example, you already know what that community is going to be, and what that entire instance is catered to. You CAN’T click it, because it’s hypothetical, but you already know what it is.
That + a guide to the fediverse would go a LOOOOOONG way for newbies. I still don’t know how to visit Lemm.ee main page for example, without going there directly so I can stay logged in. I can figure out how to go to individual communities while logged in (and that whole process needs a simplification while we’re on the topic), but I can’t go to the main page, so I can click local, and see whats actively being posted to the whole instance like I can on my own instance. Theres probably a way…and it’s probably a bunch of overly complicated series of steps that isn’t naturally intuitive. Which is the biggest hurdle for this platform.
Blaze@sopuli.xyz 3 months ago
That + a guide to the fediverse would go a LOOOOOONG way for newbies
but I can’t go to the main page, so I can click local, and see whats actively being posted to the whole instance like I can on my own instance. Theres probably a way…
There is not
FaceDeer@fedia.io 3 months ago
Seems like lemmy.ml is really collapsing in on itself. Overall not good for the general health of the fediverse.
I'd argue that a biased overly-centralized instance like that collapsing in on itself is good for the general health of the Fediverse.
there needs to be some kind of accountability/ redress if open & free communities are going to be a long term project.
The redress is having lots of servers to switch to, much like how on Reddit the redress was "start your own subreddit if the one you're on is moderated poorly." I can't imagine any system that would let you "take control" of some other instance without that being ridiculously abusable.
Socsa@sh.itjust.works 3 months ago
The .ml admins probably just adding more malicious tracking tools to the communities they don’t like so they can more easily dox Lemmy users for their state espionage sponsors.
awwwyissss@lemm.ee 3 months ago
I’m guessing there were too many people supporting for Harris for their liking. They lost control and it was harming their preferred candidate so they killed it.
Socsa@sh.itjust.works 3 months ago
You are probably correct, Dessalines himself forgot to switch to one of his alts and is literally posting the “1 Harris = 1 genocide” meme on a .world thread as we speak. Absolutely glorious.
aasatru@kbin.earth 3 months ago
Discussing politics at Lemmy.ml was a mistake to begin with - they're doing us all a favour by nuking it. :)
A_A@lemmy.world 3 months ago
Time mod Action 6 hours ago mod Removed Community Politics reason: Unmoderated duplicate of /c/usa . Any world-related can use /c/worldnews archomrade@midwest.social 3 months ago
Oh is it time for another defed campaign already?
urquell@lemm.ee 3 months ago
Is your name Harris?
onlinepersona@programming.dev 3 months ago
Might just be a bug. Let’s not overreact. lemmy.ml/c/meta@lemmy.ml is also down. Says it can’t find the community. Time will tell.
stevedidwhat_infosec@infosec.pub 3 months ago
Very on brand of .ml to nuke a politics community
deegeese@sopuli.xyz 3 months ago
Also very on brand of them to say all politics involves the USA.
Blaze@sopuli.xyz 3 months ago
Yes, they are not even American, are they?
Blaze@sopuli.xyz 3 months ago
Happy cake day
stevedidwhat_infosec@infosec.pub 3 months ago
Thanks! Fuck Reddit!