Submitted 4 months ago by Mir@programming.dev to selfhosted@lemmy.world
I’m new to selfhosting and I find myself rarely using the server, only when I need to retrieve a document or something.
I was thinking of implementing something to make it power on, on demand, but I’m not sure if this might be harmful for the HDDs, and I’m not sure how to implment it if so.
What’s your recommendation to do so? I’m running a dell optiplex 3050
I built a system ground up with a focus on power-usage a few years ago. You can go far down the rabbit hole when you start googling, but the key take-aways for me are:
Great tips. I hunted 2.5" HDDs when I was doing my build but they seem to be on their way out, being meant for laptops which are now largely just using SSDs :(
I used to buy external Seagate HDD’s and pry open the enclosure. Inside it’s just a regular 2,5" HDD with a small sata>usb board. Last time I checked these are still available and might be easier to find (and cheaper). But yeah, you don’t have many models to choose from these days. You could use SSD’s which will save a bit of power but they are vastly more expensive. I don’t think the money you’ll save on power will offset that.
I have a similar question that I wonder if anyone can help with. So I’m not overly familiar with self hosting but I’d like to get into it more with simple things, I have a raspberry pi connected to a 3d printer for networked controls and I feel like I should be able to make the raspberry pi not be used just for that only. So like I’m thinking maybe I can run simple things along with it. Basically since the printer is noisy I don’t want all that to be on all the time but I’d like the raspberry pi to do oter things too. Maybe I should make a separate post for this haha, anyways thanks for listening.
A RasberryPi uses so little power when idleing that turning it on and off on demand makes not a whole lot of a difference. It is different though with OP’s x86 with spinning rust drives.
They’re wanting the Pi to do more than one thing. I’m assuming they’re running Klipper but also want to run a file server or PiHole, for example, on the same Pi.
If you try only use it so rarely, why not just connect a USB drive to your network router? Most have an option to serve files from that over the network.
That’s a great idea that I haven’t thought about, but I’m using couple of apps to view and the network thing is less convenient albeit attractive solution that I might look into. Thank you
Hardware specs would be more useful than the model.
As a general rule, install ‘tlp’, and ‘powertop’. TLP will usually make a decent impact with the defaults detected for your specific hardware, but you can go further by tailoring the config for your specific hardware as well. Powertop is normally better for laptop power measurement on battery, but the tunables section will show you good and bad settings that are currently enabled, which you can easily toggle on and off. It’s just an easy interface for new users to be able to dig into detailed power tunables without really harming anything.
I had an optiplex 3060 with 8500t, 24gb ram and 2 ssds idling around 3-5watts.
That’s impressive! I have less everything, how can I know how much it takes while idle? External device?
I’d question that. I have three 3080 and they’re consistently about 8W each with one ssd and onboard graphics. I even went so far to splice three barrel jacks to a single 60w power supply that powers all three to avoid the losses of an additional 2 power supplies and this gets me the 8w idle power with Debian and throttling.
Which fom factor do you have? And did you install powertop and tlp? The newer Intel CPUs need a little more power in idle. Old comment as reference: www.reddit.com/r/homelab/comments/…/gqvs35l/
Wake On LAN maybe?
I don’t mind the wait, I’m however worried about the wear from doing that a few times a day
Something like an old laptop will make a power-saving homeserver. But that won't work if you want to attach lots of storage.
I don't think an Optiplex is the most energy-efficient choice. They seem somewhat okay, but you'd need to put some effort in and read some tests and reviews to find a really efficient mainboard and PSU. That's not easy
You can spin down your harddisks. I have some udev rule that executes hdparm -S60 /dev/sdb after boot. That'll spin down the hdd after 5 minutes of inactivity. It's alright for low usage scenarios. And it doesn't spin up that often because the hdd contains my photos, backups and a few movies. And my operating system and files that are accessed often, are on a SSD. Starting and stopping disks like once a day should work for many years. But don't cycle it every few minutes.
And obviously, you can also shut off your server over night or just wake it on demand, if that fits your use-case.
Right now I’m turning it over night but during the day I find that I might use it one day a few times and another day not at all. Wake up on demand would be great, I’m worried about the wear from doing it like 3-4 times a day
I'm not sure if 3-4 times a day is a lot. I had computers (especially laptops) which were way more aggressive with spinning up and down the disks. Maybe you can look it up. A decent (enterprise(?)) hdd should have some datasheet available including info about how often you can powercycle or spin them up/down.
And I wouldn't wake up disks deliberately. If you don't mind the 5-10s waiting, you can just spin them down at the end of the day and leave them that way. The next day they'll either spin up on first access, or they won't. And save that one cycle. I'm not sure though if you can change the spindown timeout during the day without also waking it up. I mean you could run a script that spins them down at 22:00 and sets the timeout to 1h, and at 07:30 you run a script to keep them awake for a 6h period. But you'd need to test if changing that setting wakes them up. Or I'd rather not run a script like that. Sometimes executing hdparm spins up a disk, even if unnecessary.
Acronyms, initialisms, abbreviations, contractions, and other phrases which expand to something larger, that I’ve seen in this thread:
| Fewer Letters | More Letters |
|---|---|
| DNS | Domain Name Service/System |
| PiHole | Network-wide ad-blocker (DNS sinkhole) |
| SSD | Solid State Drive mass storage |
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catloaf@lemm.ee 4 months ago
If you don’t need a lot of resources, I would just get something very low power and an SSD big enough for your purposes, and leave it on all the time. Wake on LAN has never worked reliably for me (or at all, really).
Starting up is definitely where spinning drives experience the most failures. They’ll run for tens of thousands of hours just fine, but one day if they stop, they might never spin back up.
You should also just measure your current power consumption for a baseline. You didn’t say whether you have a 3050 tower, mini, or micro, but it’s really the model of CPU that affects power the most.