Submitted 17 hours ago by mo_lave@reddthat.com to selfhosted@lemmy.world
https://lowkey.party/running-web-sites-makes-me-not-want-to
I host tons of open source projects on forge.sciactive.com
Recently, it was getting absolutely hounded with tons of meaningless requests. I’m assuming they are just results of AI.
So, I put Anubis in front of it. Now images hosted there won’t load on other sites, people have to wait forever to see the code, and the experience on phones is even worse. Just because AI doesn’t respect anything, and the people who run it are too stupid to realize that.
This is why we can’t have nice things.
This makes a difference on Forgejo: github.com/go-gitea/gitea/pull/34024
Also, obviously, a caching reverse proxy. Forges and wikis are hard because the bots drill down into the thousands of version control pages that get generated on demand and cant be cached.
You can set a trap that isn’t or is forbidden in robots.txt. Anyone who ignores your robots.txt is not friendly.
Just because AI doesn’t respect anything, and the people who run it are too stupid to realize that.
They’re perfectly capable of realizing it. How do you think it got built that way? They don’t respect anything, either.
True.
schwim@piefed.zip 17 hours ago If I didn’t enjoy the cat & mouse of it, I’d definitely walk away from running a site. Just out of curiosity, I created an hourly graph today showing malicious bot, legitimate bot and human ratio graphs for one of my sites. The malicious hits make up around 80% hourly and human hits are usually well under 10%.
Zak@lemmy.world 14 hours ago I host a few sites and I haven’t had a problem yet. Sure, logs suggest a majority of traffic is bots, but the cheap VPS I’m hosting on hasn’t melted so I haven’t been motivated to do anything about it.
Dave@piefed.nz 14 hours ago Lemmy is particularly susceptible. Hosting a static site with a limited number of pages is fine. Lemmy needs to check all posts, find the votes, sort them, and compile the page. It does that for practically every page load, and so loading a page once is quite “expensive”.
Then add on to that the almost unlimited pages of content for bots to crawl through, bots just get caught endlessly scraping pages. Even powerful servers struggle, which is why most Lemmy instances have implemented some sort of protection against bots.
Why not just use more static pages?
4chan has been ‘static’ forever, the backend builds each page every ~15s, pages served to users are always static. It’s ‘justwerked’ for 20 years now on a shoestring.
Zak@lemmy.world 14 hours ago I believe you, but the linked article is not about hosting Lemmy.
It doesn’t need to. Like any similar site, it can cache a lot of that in databases like redis, or cache the rendered page in part or in whole.
dieTasse@feddit.org 17 hours ago Yeah, internet is no longer the interesting place it used to be. Interesting, intriguing, exciting. Now it’s worse than going to a tax office… the day before taxes… On Christmas… 😂
We should all go back to HTML and web rings
And Usenet but with spam filters somehow
dieTasse@feddit.org 1 hour ago I am actually trying geminispace. It has nothing to do with google btw, but it’s quirky, it’s weird and I am actually getting some old internet vibes
I run a DaaS product Trace Jobs that serves job posting data.
My expectations are pretty low and am never disappointed.
It’s hard to post original work to share but also know it can just get scraped but I can’t give up personal websites. Social media looks so bland and seeing completely personalized blogs are the most enjoyable part to the internet now. Spending more time in niche spaces on the internet more than ever.