Yeah, which results in transgender patients not seeking necessary medical care. Fuck you, Tories, and fuck you, NHS.
NHS charter to stress biological sex when placing patients in wards
Submitted 6 months ago by Mex@feddit.uk to unitedkingdom@feddit.uk
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/health-68923861
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TotallyNotSpez@lemm.ee 6 months ago
Flax_vert@feddit.uk 6 months ago
transgender people, whose gender identity differs from their biological sex, may be provided single rooms, where appropriate
apotheotic@beehaw.org 6 months ago
“We need to make sure that we put women in the men’s ward and men in the women’s ward. That will make people feel safer and result in fairer care” fucking transphobe terf island I hate it here
Struggleandgrunt@feddit.uk 6 months ago
Incorrect, they are single sex wards not single gender wards. Females should be on a female ward and Males on a Male ward which is correct id wards are decided based on sex and not gender.
reddithalation@sopuli.xyz 6 months ago
such a stupid thing to whine about. what if they got surgery and they are externally identical to a cis woman, do they still need to go in the ward for men? just let people be.
apotheotic@beehaw.org 6 months ago
“I’m going to reply to the trans person under the premise that they don’t understand sex and gender”
The sentiment of my comment was a lot deeper than “conflating sex and gender”. The subtext was that single-sex wards where you are sorted by your AGAB are not trans (or intersex) inclusive, even if technically valid sorting criteria.
LainTrain@lemmy.dbzer0.com 6 months ago
That seems reasonable. I’m a transsexual female and I will be in the female ward thanks.
Flax_vert@feddit.uk 6 months ago
Wouldn’t that be the opposite of what TERFs want…?
LainTrain@lemmy.dbzer0.com 6 months ago
As if that will actually happen. There’s no magic single room tree :)
Emperor@feddit.uk 6 months ago
Is there a big gameshow-style wheel in Downing Street labeled “who to shit on today”?
Streetlights@lemmy.world 6 months ago
This was promised back in 2010
theguardian.com/…/mixed-sex-hospital-ward-fines
Governments have been struggling for 15 years to end the sharing of wards by men and women. Lansley said in August that it would end in all but accident and emergency and intensive care units by the end of this year.
The only reason mixed wards happen is because demand has grown bilut funding has not. The NHS is being crippled on multiple fronts by chronic lack of resources.
apis@beehaw.org 6 months ago
Right, because screeching about trans, non-binary and intersex people as if they’re to blame for a decade & a half of Tory asset-wrecking deathly malfeasance will totally magic this extra NHS capacity into reality.
(Ok, they didn’t mention the latter two, because they never do, but we all know how it goes).
Tbh I think staff on the wards will be able to ignore this, as the demand for care far exceeds availability, but they shouldn’t fucking have to.
JackGreenEarth@lemm.ee 6 months ago
Why split things like bathrooms or hospital wards by sex or gender anyway? Any solution that validates trans people while still separating genders is only going to be a bandage solution at best, as it doesn’t solve the underlying issue of sexism “I can’t be in the same room as someone of another sex/gender, that would be terrible!” Like what? Are we trying to accommodate religious idiots instead of trans people or something?
Flax_vert@feddit.uk 6 months ago
No, it’s to stop putting men in the same wards as women in case the men rape the women or harass them. It’s about protecting women.
peg@lemmy.world 6 months ago
No, it’s to make women who assume they will be raped feel safe. Men don’t just rape women because they’re in the same room. They don’t change gender to improve their rape opportunities either.
Catoblepas@lemmy.blahaj.zone 6 months ago
Trans women aren’t men so that’s irrelevant here.
ondoyant@beehaw.org 6 months ago
so, the only way to address the problem of sexual violence in hospitals is just to divide the population in two? this is just like the bathroom bullshit. if you’re assuming that trans women are rapists, you are a transphobe. if you’re assuming that sex-segregated wards are a useful deterrent to rape, you’re an idiot. the thing stopping people from hurting patients in the hospital is the hospital. the staff, the doors, the nurses, the help buttons beside each bed, the check-ins by doctors and nurses.
Flax_vert@feddit.uk 6 months ago
How is this not common sense? It’s a matter of woman’s safety, like Isla Bryson
ondoyant@beehaw.org 6 months ago
so should we segregate our hospitals too? i’m sure you could find some examples of interracial violence if you cared to look. maybe the poor people should get their own ward, we all know the poors are more likely to be criminals! the argument you’re using right now is one that has been used against minority groups since antiquity. all people are capable of violence. that you focus only on the violence of a single case, and use that to justify discrimination? that is not “common sense”. it is prejudice.
ShimmeringKoi@hexbear.net 6 months ago
NigelFrobisher@aussie.zone 6 months ago
They should be stressing cyber sex with all the infectious diseases in wards these days.
autotldr@lemmings.world [bot] 6 months ago
This is the best summary I could come up with:
For example, same-sex accommodation rights, which have existed for years, can and are breached where there is a clinically urgent need to admit and treat a patient and do not extend to areas such as critical care or accident and emergency.
“By putting this in the NHS Constitution, we’re highlighting the importance of balancing the rights and needs of all patients, to make a healthcare system that is faster, simpler and fairer to all.”
“The confusion between ‘sex’ and ‘gender’ in official policies like the NHS Constitution is what has enabled women’s rights to be trampled over in the name of transgender identities,” she said.
Martha Mills died aged 13, after being admitted to King’s College Hospital, south London, in 2021, having injured her pancreas slipping on to the handlebars of her bike while cycling.
Labour’s shadow health secretary Wes Streeting said: "Rights on paper are worthless unless they are delivered in practice.
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Catoblepas@lemmy.blahaj.zone 6 months ago
So they’re using the death of a child who was killed due to NHS incompetence to make trans people more likely to receive incompetent care or no care at all. Very cool and normal country.
rah@feddit.uk 6 months ago
I don’t follow; why does placing transgender people in wards according to their sex mean they will receive incompetent care or no care at all?
Catoblepas@lemmy.blahaj.zone 6 months ago
If a trans woman thinks there’s even the possibility that she’s going to be stuck in a ward with men then odds are she’s not going to go unless she feels like she’s about to die. This means preventable stuff spirals, which is one part of why trans people are more likely to die of preventable illnesses.
In addition for someone who is on hormones, if you treat them as their birth sex medically then you’re going to be missing signs of illness or interpreting normal things as a sign of illness. Ex: it’s extremely common for trans men on testosterone to have “high” hematocrit levels, which can be a symptom of all kinds of problems and a risk for other problems… if you compare it to the typical range for cis women. If you compare it to the levels of cis men, for most people it’s completely normal. Focusing on non-problems like that instead of what brought someone in is going to result in a lower quality of care and make someone less likely to seek care in the future.