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sugar_in_your_tea@sh.itjust.works 4 weeks ago
Cool. I switched to Tuta because it fits my use case better (2 domains, one for my personal email and one for everything else). I don’t need any of the bells and whistles Proton has, and I also don’t want to pay extra to get more domains. The Tuta app kinda sucks, but it gets the job done. I’m hoping my wife and kids will be interested in private email, but they don’t seem to care, and I don’t think they’d like the tradeoffs.
Now, if Proton revises their tiers, I might be interested. Give me something like the Tuta tiers, and I’ll probably switch to it. I prefer the UX of Proton, but $10/month is a bit steep for me, especially since I’m not going to use the other stuff they’re bundling in (I use Bitwarden for PW manager, have my own NAS, and I prefer Mullvad over Proton for VPN).
That said, it’s super cool that they’re going non-profit. When that’s done, I’ll give it another look.
just_another_person@lemmy.world 4 weeks ago
blind3rdeye@lemm.ee 4 weeks ago
Your response makes it sound like you’re responding some kind of rage-rant. But from my reading, the post you responded to basically just lists a few things they like and dislike - clearly given as personal opinions. So your response reads as unprovoked hostility.
sugar_in_your_tea@sh.itjust.works 4 weeks ago
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I think Proton is a cool project, I’m just a little disappointed at their pricing tiers. It’s probably fine for a lot of people, and hopefully becoming a non-profit encourages them to improve the value at each tier.
I actually used to pay for Proton when I was consulting. I think it’s a fantastic service, but now that it’s not really a business expense, I find it’s a little to expensive. So I have my business domain, my personal email domain, and a “junk email” domain all at Tuta, and I like that setup. But it’s not worth $10/month for me, it’s worth about $3-4/month, so I use Tuta. Privacy is really important to me, but price is also important, and Tuta checks both boxes.
I know I’m an outlier, just giving my 2c that Proton is a good service, and I hope they adjust their pricing with their new non-profit model.
lupec@lemm.ee 4 weeks ago
FWIW Proton does offer a mail only plan that’s $5/month, 4 if you go for yearly
sugar_in_your_tea@sh.itjust.works 4 weeks ago
Right, but it only supports 1 custom domain. With Tuta, I get 3 for €3.60, €3 if I pay yearly. I could probably make it work, but why pay more for something that I’d have to make concessions for?
mholiv@lemmy.world 4 weeks ago
Did you respond to the wrong message?
PotatoesFall@discuss.tchncs.de 4 weeks ago
what’s with the hostility?
elucubra@sopuli.xyz 4 weeks ago
Looks like some are fortune telling and seeing enshitification.
Not all companies go to shit. Valve is an example
A_Random_Idiot@lemmy.world 4 weeks ago
I’m sorry I took this username before you got it. Clearly you deserve it more with posts like that.
qevlarr@lemmy.world 4 weeks ago
Wtf
TheGrandNagus@lemmy.world 4 weeks ago
Touch grass.
Arn_Thor@feddit.uk 4 weeks ago
You say you use Bitwarden. Is that self hosted by any chance? If so, how do you handle the potential for an outage or server failure, where you’d presumably need some of the passwords to fix the problem in the first place.
sudneo@lemm.ee 4 weeks ago
The Bitwarden client has all the data cached, so the server can be down and you still get access to the passwords (same for internet connection).
Arn_Thor@feddit.uk 4 weeks ago
Thanks for the reply! That makes sense. I’m still weary of the client somehow losing the cache while the server is down (two holes in the Swiss cheese lining up) but that is overly paranoid I know that
sudneo@lemm.ee 4 weeks ago
You should definitely be! I take backups every 6h for my self hosted vaultwarden (easier to manage and to backup, but not official, YMMV). You can also restore each backup automatically and have a “second service” you can run elsewhere (a standby basically), which will also ensure the backup works fine.
I have been running bit/vaultwarden now for I think 6 years, for my whole family and I have never needed to do anything, despite having had a few hiccups with the server.
Don’t take my word for it, but the clients (browser plugin, desktop app, mobile app) are designed to keep data locally I think. So the term cache might be misleading here because it suggests some temporary storage used just to save web requests, with a relatively quick expiration. In this case I think the plugin etc. can work potentially indefinitely without server - something to double-check, but I believe it’s the design.
lemming741@lemmy.world 4 weeks ago
I also self host vault warden, it’s pretty straight forward. Like the other person said, it caches locally.
Arn_Thor@feddit.uk 4 weeks ago
Thanks!
superglue@lemmy.dbzer0.com 4 weeks ago
The local cache solves this problem mainly. Mine also replicates to one of my other servers occasionally.
ripcord@lemmy.world 4 weeks ago
How do you set up local caching? For non-phones?
priapus@sh.itjust.works 4 weeks ago
Yep, the browser extensions also have an encrypted cache, although it is less consistent imo. I’ve had times where my server was down and the extension just completely logged out then couldn’t authenticate so I couldn’t access the cache.
doctortran@lemm.ee 4 weeks ago
Problem with Tuta for me is its too closed off.
Proton at least offers an IMAP bridge, Tuta utterly refuses to let you use your email outside their apps, which makes it more of a messaging app. And the fact there’s no way to export everything easily or even forward messages rubs me the wrong way. I tried them and have been using them for about 2 years but I’d definitely love to get away from it.
I’m tired of these walled gardens. I don’t give a damn how secure it is, if I can’t leave it with my shit, then no thanks.
MadBigote@lemmy.world 4 weeks ago
Are you me? Lol I feel the same about tuta, yet I such with them. I am waiting for my wife to care for her privacy and switch to a family bundle with tuta.
Got my own NAS and a Bit warden server for PW. I changed Mullvad over AirVPN once they stopped supporting port forwarding, though.
sugar_in_your_tea@sh.itjust.works 4 weeks ago
Yup, confirmed, I am you.
The Tuta app kinda sucks, especially for searching, but I do that rarely enough that it’s fine. It did annoy me a bit when I was traveling in Canada and needed to find my confirmation code for something (had to connect to their wifi, wait for emails to download, search, etc), but it got the job done. I love that I can just add another person to my plan for another €3 or whatever. I’m going to try to get my kids interested even if my wife isn’t, and it’s nice that I can just add a little at a time. With Proton, that would jump up to $15 for two users, $24 for my family (three kids). That’s a lot more than Tuta, which is just €3/user/month, so my entire family would be €15/month ($17/month), and I don’t need to get everyone on all at once (i would probably only add one or two at first).
So Tuta meets my basic needs, is priced very competitively, and the client is FOSS. I’m actually excited about some upcoming updates (looks like having the subject in the notification just landed, but hasn’t hit F-Droid yet), and I love how their roadmap is very open.
That said, I do miss the UX of Proton. I just don’t think that’s worth more for fewer features I actually use. Hopefully that changes.
user224@lemmy.sdf.org 4 weeks ago
They also have mail-only tier at 4.99.
doctortran@lemm.ee 4 weeks ago
Does that include the IMAP bridge and multiple addresses?
user224@lemmy.sdf.org 4 weeks ago
I don’t know, you’ll have to check yourself. Multiple addresses yes, though, 10 of them.