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hendrik@palaver.p3x.de ⁨1⁩ ⁨month⁩ ago

• Darkard@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨month⁩ ago

  Fucking hell there’s a lot of pedophile instances.

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  • hendrik@palaver.p3x.de ⁨1⁩ ⁨month⁩ ago

    I've had a look at it and it's not as bad as it looks. Lot's of websites on that list aren't around anymore. Others are anime or hentai stuff which might be questionable at times. So from reading the list I thought the fediverse is full of nazis, extremists, trolls and loli pictures. But when doing the research it's just a minority. And the blocking works. Those pedos exist, though.

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    • gravitas_deficiency@sh.itjust.works ⁨1⁩ ⁨month⁩ ago

      Yep. The system is, pleasantly, working as designed, and it seems to be working well.

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  • Rai@lemmy.dbzer0.com ⁨1⁩ ⁨month⁩ ago

    I dig through a bunch and have no idea what you’re talking about… I didn’t see anything.

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• dch82@lemmy.zip ⁨1⁩ ⁨month⁩ ago

  That’s good, although I do want to crosspost to other instances like .zip

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  • protist@mander.xyz ⁨1⁩ ⁨month⁩ ago

    If .zip is your home instance, why do you care about with whom .world federates?

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    • Blaze@sopuli.xyz ⁨1⁩ ⁨month⁩ ago

      Good point

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      • nokturne213@sopuli.xyz ⁨1⁩ ⁨month⁩ ago

        Because .zip may not have a community such as this and they searched fediverse and told was the result.

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    • Jumuta@sh.itjust.works ⁨1⁩ ⁨month⁩ ago

      because people want to amplify their opinion

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  • maegul@lemmy.ml ⁨1⁩ ⁨month⁩ ago

    I’ll add to hendrik’s sibling post … it seems you’re relatively new to the fediverse. You may want to get a feel for the place before advocating for such wide reaching actions.

    I’m all for expressing your feelings on an issue, but I do wonder if your eagerness is a bit premature. I myself “called for” defederation early in my time on the fediverse … and it was dumb of me.

    Since then I’ve come to view most arguments around the idea of defederation suspiciously. There’s usually a bit of personal drama or a shallow opinion or people who want to loudly voice opinions without wanting to put work into making this place better. Usually, if defederation is actually needed, the admins will know before you do and it will be obvious.

    All that being said … I’d ask you … what do you think federation and decentralisation is for?

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    • hendrik@palaver.p3x.de ⁨1⁩ ⁨month⁩ ago

      I think what we ultimately need is a healthy and welcoming culture of being nice to each other and engaging with each other with a minimal amount of drama. But that's difficult to pull off and a long process. We aren't there yet but we can make an effort.

      Defederation might be part of that. But it's a bad tool with lots of consequences and side-effects. And ultimately the Fediverse is about connecting people. So disconnecting them will be problematic. However we don't all agree on that. And it's a good thing that the Fediverse is a diverse place. You can sign up at beehaw and they have a strict policy and are happy to defederate with a lot of the network. Maybe OP is better aligned with what they do, than be on lemmy.world

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      • maegul@lemmy.ml ⁨1⁩ ⁨month⁩ ago

        Defederation might be part of that

        As you say, it’s a very blunt tool and likely only able to create more civil interactions by creating a fairly strong echo chamber.

        My perspective on “defederation” conversations, hinted at in my comment above, is that it’s a new “tool”, a new phenomenon etc. Nothing like it existed on reddit for example. And so it’s natural that there will be “unwise”, premature and overzealous calls to use it as though it’s the solution to many of our social media problems, when in reality it’s a relatively subtle tool best used in concert with active and relatively sophisticated community building and organising.

        Which all makes sense to me. But what’s a little sad I think is that we have here a pretty good compromise between “absolute free speech is bad” and “censorship is bad” for social media, and instead of embracing it as an ideology we’ve gotten some loud voices eager to use it as a territorial weapon for drawing boundaries around spaces for everyone else without, AFAICT, much the same in the way of actually building spaces that suit people’s needs (though that happens too of course).

        If one wants or needs a space that is shut off completely from what one would call “extreme” politics, that’s totally fine. Doesn’t mean all of lemmy world and half or more of the communities on lemmy should be cut off in a big “us and them” statement. Instead … you probably need an instance that caters to that world view. You may need to try to start organising it yourself if it doesn’t exist. Except, that’s harder than posting a “lets defederate” post.

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      • intensely_human@lemm.ee ⁨1⁩ ⁨month⁩ ago

        Honestly I’m in favor of people talking even when it isn’t nice. I’d rather have angry words than no words, you know?

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    • intensely_human@lemm.ee ⁨1⁩ ⁨month⁩ ago

      I’m pretty much a natural enemy of tankies, but I love being able to talk to them.

      I too view defederation with suspicion.

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  • hendrik@palaver.p3x.de ⁨1⁩ ⁨month⁩ ago

    I doubt you'll find many instance admins who aren't already aware of this. But that doesn't mean you can't be vocal about what you think should be fixed.

    But maybe you should have a quick look at the instance list before posting. As I said 2/3 or your proposal are already done on lots of instances. And lemmy.ml is just difficult. There are still a lot of big/important communities there (and users) which we haven't yet replaced.

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• intensely_human@lemm.ee ⁨1⁩ ⁨month⁩ ago

  The existence of a list of linked, and a list of blocked, implies three, possibly four independent states of “instance relationship”.

  Can someone who understands it deeply please explain to me? What is the relationship between a “linked” instance and a “blocked” instance, and how does that relate to “defederated”?

  Does federation require active configuration from one instance to another? Or is federated the default relationship when no config data exists?

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  • Blaze@sopuli.xyz ⁨1⁩ ⁨month⁩ ago

    Instance Target gets linked when someone from instance Source subscribes to a community of Target

    Defederating = blocking in this context, defederated instances show up in the blocked instance list

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• Alphane_Moon@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨month⁩ ago

  Why is this Mastadon instance blocked?

  social.mechanizedarmadillo.com

  Seems like a random account with nothing controversial.

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  • hendrik@palaver.p3x.de ⁨1⁩ ⁨month⁩ ago

    I think you're looking at the wrong list. That page contains both the allowed and the blocked instances. The one you mentioned is allowed.

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