Comment on Traveling this summer? Maybe don’t let the airport scan your face.

• CyaL8r@lemmy.ml ⁨3⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

  That’s not what the other user is saying - we have to fight to keep what rights we have, and maybe one day gain some of the ones we lost

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  • kautau@lemmy.world ⁨3⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

    Their message is correct but they’re mad at that “calm down” part and addressed it poorly

    User 1: if you fly using a passport, the government knows what you look like, whether or not you opt out of facial recognition, being a Karen at the airport won’t help with you

    User 2: Fuck that, if we are complacent, more privacy will be taken away from us

    User 3: You can’t fly without a photo id

    Seems to me the user you responded to knows what they are saying, and you’re both right. You don’t have a right to fly on an airplane without a legal verification of who you are. We should have a right to verify our identity without facial recognition software. But that happens with laws, not making scenes at airports

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    • sugar_in_your_tea@sh.itjust.works ⁨3⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

      Honestly, we should have a right to fly w/o providing ID as well. I don’t need it to ride the bus or local train, and I don’t think I need it for a greyhound bus (if I pay w/ cash). I’ve heard you can maybe get away w/o ID on Amtrak, but their official policy says it’s required.

      So why are airplanes so different? Fatalities per mile on airplanes are among the lowest of any form of transportation, so I highly doubt terrorism is a significant, statistically relevant factor here. I think they do it because they can, not because it actually helps reduce risk in any meaningful way. I don’t see any basis for needing an ID for any form of mass transit, you should only need it for driving to prove that you have the privilege to do so.

      I really don’t understand why law enforcement is so infatuated with checking my ID…

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• dgriffith@aussie.zone ⁨3⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

  You’re never going to live in a world where you’re allowed to fly without photo id amigo

  Move to a different country.

  Eg in Australia I can book a domestic ticket and have two interactions after that:

  • x-ray/security where they scan my carry on
  • boarding at the gate where they scan my pass.

  No photo ID - or any ID really - needed. Now there’s enough dribs and drabs of information when I book the ticket and etc etc that they can identify me, but there’s nothing stopping someone from booking a ticket for someone else under their name.

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  • GBU_28@lemm.ee ⁨3⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

    Wait are you really arguing Australia as a privacy and security IMPROVEMENT on three rest of western countries?

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    • Cocodapuf@lemmy.world ⁨3⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

      It sounds like it is an improvement for domestic flights. I don’t see anything that invalidates that argument…

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• JayObey711@lemmy.world ⁨3⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

  I don’t know but have you ever taken a domestic flight? Or even a Schengen one? Open border policy woks wonders for data security and also quality of life in general

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• DarkDarkHouse@lemmy.sdf.org ⁨3⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

  Yes, but Cinnabon doesn’t need to scan my face while I’m there. Every little bit helps.

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• SulaymanF@lemmy.world ⁨3⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

  That’s a strawman, who said otherwise? Showing ID is one thing, storing your ID and tracking your trips is another.

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  • pastermil@sh.itjust.works ⁨3⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

    You really don’t think your trip can’t be tracked?

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    • SulaymanF@lemmy.world ⁨3⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

      Is that what I said? No. Of course it can be and is tracked. But I’m not going to Hand over my biometrics and make it easier for them.

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      • sugar_in_your_tea@sh.itjust.works ⁨3⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

        Exactly. If they need it, they can issue a lawful order, and that has certain prerequisites here in the US. I’m guessing international airports have special rules, but I’m only going to hand over what I’m legally obligated to and force them to dance around my 4th amendment rights or face a lawsuit.

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