Comment on AI is like a hammer

DmMacniel@feddit.org ⁨2⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

• daniskarma@lemmy.dbzer0.com ⁨2⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

  I don’t see the “is not actual AI” argument.

  Since the 80 AI has just been algorithms and proposals for neural networks.

  It never has need to have a “soul” or “be sentient” to be Artificial Intelligence.

  Even a simple Tic Tac Toc opponent algorithm has been called AI without much complaining about it.

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• 0laura@lemmy.world ⁨2⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

  you not liking it doesn’t make it any less ai. I don’t remember that many people complaining when we called the code controlling video game characters ai.

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  • Jomega@lemmy.world ⁨2⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

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    • 0laura@lemmy.world ⁨2⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

      probably wrong. www.digminecraft.com/data_tags/bat.php look at the nbt tags, specifically the description of the no AI nbt tag

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      • Jomega@lemmy.world ⁨2⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

        I have no idea what you just said.

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  • Carighan@lemmy.world ⁨2⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

    Or called our mobile phones “cell phones”, despite not being organic. Tsk.

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    • DmMacniel@feddit.org ⁨2⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

      Except cell phones or cellular phones refer to the structure a mobile network is built on: a mesh of cell towers.

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  • kescusay@lemmy.world ⁨2⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

    Software developer, here.

    It’s not actually AI. A large language model is essentially autocomplete on steroids. Very useful in some contexts, but it doesn’t “learn” the way a neutral network can. When you’re feeding corrections into, say, ChatGPT, you’re making small, temporary, cached adjustments to its data model, but you’re not actually teaching it anything, because by its nature, it can’t learn.

    I’m not trying to diss LLMs, by the way. Like I said, they can be very useful in some contexts. I use Copilot to assist with coding, for example. Don’t want to write a bunch of boilerplate code? Copilot is excellent for speeding that process up.

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    • celliern@lemmy.world ⁨2⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

      LLMs are part of AI, which is a fairly large research domain of math/info, including machine learning among other. God, even linear regression can be classified as AI : that term is reeeally large

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      • kescusay@lemmy.world ⁨2⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

        I mean, I guess the way people use the term “AI” these days, sure, but we’re really beating all specificity out of the term.

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    • 0laura@lemmy.world ⁨2⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

      I know that they’re “autocorrect on steroids” and what that means, I don’t see how that makes it any less ai. I’m not saying that LLMs have that magic sauce that is needed to be considered truly “intelligent”, I’m saying that ai doesn’t need any magic sauce to be ai. the code controlling bats in Minecraft is called ai, and no one complained about that.

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    • Zos_Kia@lemmynsfw.com ⁨2⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

      Very useful in some contexts, but it doesn’t “learn” the way a neural network can. When you’re feeding corrections into, say, ChatGPT, you’re making small, temporary, cached adjustments to its data model, but you’re not actually teaching it anything, because by its nature, it can’t learn.

      But that’s true of all (most ?) neural networks ? Are you saying Neural Networks are not AI and that they can’t learn ?

      NNs don’t retrain while they are being used, they are trained once then they cannot learn new behaviour or correct existing behaviour. If you want to make them better you need to run them a bunch of times, collect and annotate good/bad runs, then re-train them from scratch (or fine-tune them) with this new data. Just like LLMs because LLMs are neural networks.

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  • DmMacniel@feddit.org ⁨2⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

    pretty sure that they were and still are called Bots though, atleast in the context of first person shooter.

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    • 0laura@lemmy.world ⁨2⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

      look at the NBT tags for bats for example. it means artificial intelligence.

      www.digminecraft.com/data_tags/bat.php

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      • DmMacniel@feddit.org ⁨2⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

        next thing you gonna say that boids are AI too…

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• lmaydev@lemmy.world ⁨2⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

  They are neural networks which are some of the oldest AI tech we have.

  You can hate them, but they are by definition AI.

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  • DmMacniel@feddit.org ⁨2⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

    uhm no, AI is relaying on neural networks (which are just weighted gates) but Neural Networks are not by definition AI.

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    • lmaydev@lemmy.world ⁨2⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

      I’m sorry but they absolutely are.

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      • DmMacniel@feddit.org ⁨2⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

        sorry, but I disagree.

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• aaaa@lemmy.world ⁨2⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

  Complaining that it’s called AI is like complaining that smartphones are called smart. There’s no stopping it, you just end up sounding like an old man yelling at the cloud. (Which isn’t really a cloud, but we still call it that)

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  • DmMacniel@feddit.org ⁨2⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

    Nah, smartphones being actually “smarter” than feature phones as in you can do way more than just basic stuff like calling, messaging people, run a simple calculation, having a calendar etc.

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