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Linkerbaan@lemmy.world 4 months agoYou appear to forget 75 years of israel invading Palestine. And putting Palestinians in a concentration camp.
Dude they have been fighting for the whole time and for every bad thing Isreal has done Hamas has done one back.
Ever heard of the saying “and eye for an eye and the whole world is blind”. Well both sides are blind now.
The only correct take is that both sides suck and the palastenian people are the ones who suffer. To take a side in this conflict is uninformed, as both sides have way too much blood on their hands. This is very far from black and white and simple.
This is just blatantly false. You don’t know anything about the history.
What was the 2018 march to return? Only one side is seeking peace. And israel only seeks destruction.
This Genocide is what israel has been doing for over 75 years.
Dude they have been fighting for the whole time and for every bad thing Isreal has done Hamas has done one back.
Damn, that’s disgusting. I’ll rephrase it in terms that hopefully will make you understand why it’s disgusting: “Ukraine has been fighting back the invasion the whole time, and for every bad thing Russia has done, Ukraine has done one back”
Ever heard of the saying “and eye for an eye and the whole world is blind”. Well both sides are blind now.
What are Palestinians supposed to do? Peacefully accept being relocated and murdered by the hundreds of thousands? Should Ukrainians just have given up? Is Ukraine wrong for targeting infrastructure inside Russia with explosive unmanned air vehicles now?
The only correct take is that both sides suck and the palastenian people are the ones who suffer. To take a side in this conflict is uninformed, as both sides have way too much blood on their hands. This is very far from black and white and simple.
One side has blood on their hands because it’s the invader, the other has blood on their hands because it’s the invaded. This is the most stupid take I’ve seen.
75 years of history that quite literally nullifies it being black and white, because history, as well understood by historians, only makes things more clearly visible, obviously.
75 years of Genocide makes it pretty black and white to me.
You’re kinda downplaying the word genocide with your comment. Not a very efficient genocide if it’s been going on for 75 years.
This is not an opinion of mine, it’s what I read from your comment.
and germany was committing genocide for 45 years??? (hitlers general age of doing things)
Please fuck off.
And helping Hamas get into power in order to
If you want to see what happens when Palestinians cooperate with Israel, look at the West Bank:
cows_are_underrated@feddit.org 4 months ago
And 75 Years of the Hamas Attacking Israel. Israel has killed much more Palestinians that the other way around, but its still more complicated than The Ukraine war.
Zengen@lemmy.world 4 months ago
There was no nation of israel before Israel committed mass murder and near genocide on the Palestinian people. Then they shoved them into the concentration camp of Gaza. Made them.wear special green badges just like the Nazis made them wear the star of David arm bands. They make Palestinian people walk on the opposite side of the street in many places. They do not have the same rights to life liberty or property that Jews have. The Israelis were the first aggressors. And have continued almost 100 years of brutalization against the civilian people. The Israelis are no better than the Nazis that they fled from and in my opinion are not deserving of a nation of their own.
bartolomeo@suppo.fi 4 months ago
Hamas hasn’t been around for 75 years.
volodya_ilich@lemm.ee 4 months ago
Ukraine has also been attacking russian troops since the beginning of the invasion, what’s your point?
Soleos@lemmy.world 4 months ago
That highlights the point precisely. Ukraine is targeting Russian troops, i.e. legitimate military targets. Hamas targets civilians and uses civilians as human shields. The IDF doesnt care how many civilians they have to go through to get to Hamas.
volodya_ilich@lemm.ee 4 months ago
They also started sending unmanned air vehicles with explosives to Russian infrastructure such as oil. Which I’m not against. Because they’re defending themselves against an invasion. As Palestine is doing. The situation of Palestinians is much, MUCH more dire than that of Ukrainians, so it’s only to be expected (not to be confused with justified) that their response is also more violent.
Sorry, but that’s strictly false, and propagating that shit is heinous. I’ll paste here what someone else said in the comments:
cows_are_underrated@feddit.org 4 months ago
My point is, that in The current conflict the Hamas attacked first. Ukraine didnt.
volodya_ilich@lemm.ee 4 months ago
Palestinians was there before Israel was even conceived, and the first Nakba, in 1948, which marks the hard line of the invasion, in which 750k+ Palestinians were forcibly relocated, was started by Israel. History didn’t start on October 7th
Linkerbaan@lemmy.world 4 months ago
Ukraine attacked first after Russia invaded them.
See how stupid this sounds without the racism?
jj4211@lemmy.world 4 months ago
If Ukraine started a terror campaign against non-combatants, it would be a reasonable comparison. Problem is that while you can cite Hamas operations against military/police targets, we shouldn’t ignore the operations on non-combatants. Even as the IDF has done wrong, Hamas has done wrong in a similar way, albeit with fewer resources and thus to a lesser extent at this point.
It’s what I hate about the whole “one man’s terrorist is another man’s freedom fighter”, it likes to present even terroristic acts as morally relative according to context, but it’s just not the case.
Linkerbaan@lemmy.world 4 months ago
Hamas has not existed for 75 years. It is born as a resistance movement against Genocide.
cows_are_underrated@feddit.org 4 months ago
Than let me formulate it in another way: 75 years of the Palestinian also attacking Israel.
Linkerbaan@lemmy.world 4 months ago
75 years of Palestinians resisting colonization you mean right?